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A while back, Guenter used some samples from NewYorkBrass on a song. I had the same samples (they are a free download - link at bottom), but figured I'd never find a use for them. Guenter knows what he is doing. I don't. (We just all like having as many toys as possible - especially free ones). David Cuny may have been who mentioned them in a thread about horns... The BIAB horn sections are great for background stuff. But the "rockin' stabs" are hard to get. It would be a GREAT addition to BIAB if it could be done, but I would think it would be quite difficult. I think there may be no choice but to create them "piece-by-piece". That is what I've done for this. I may never do that again, but it was just what I needed to have this song work the way I've always wanted it to. This is also the most complex BIAB file I have ever written. There are pushes all over the place. We had some discussion in the BIAB forum about pushes - and could they be configurable - to allow movement forward or back for feel... I did that in my DAW - just slightly - moving them to where the "feel" was right for me... sometimes slightly forward, sometimes slightly back, but a lot of them are where BIAB put them... (there are several odd-beat measures, too...) SHADOW OF A MAN it's not likely she'll ask you to stay for the night she likes waking up alone but it's still early so turn out the light and hold the moment when she'll be your own when she'll be at home in your heart... in your heart.... (chorus) but she doesn't want to be somebody's lady she doesn't want to be tied down doesn't want to be somebody's lady she likes this night life she likes this town likes the woman that she's found she's found herself found herself to be alive and free after being lost so long in the shadow of a man it takes that hearbreak sometimes before you find you never needed what you thought held your whole world he held her down, ran around made her believe she'd never make it without her man without his strong hand to hold her heart... hold her heart... repeat chorus first names, bar games laughter in the night that comes so easy and leaves no promises at all maybe i'll call maybe, maybe i'll call repeat chorus The BAND: Style is _PWPOWER.STY (Praise&WorshipGuit&Piano[120RS]) RealTracks in song: 1569:Bass, Electric, Soul60sA-B Ev 110 RealTracks in style: 1523:Bass, Electric, PopPowerA-B Ev 120 RealTracks in song: ~~389:Bass, Electric, Metal Ev 165 RealTracks in song: 692:Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming AcRockBright Ev 120 (A:sync) RealTracks in song: 1007:Piano, Acoustic, Solo-Accompaniment, PopFlowing Ev 120 RealTracks in style: 1529:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm PopPowerBrightA-B Ev 120 RealTracks in style: 1526:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm PopPowerPushA-B Ev 120 RealTracks in song: 1000:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm HardRockLAFuzzyHeld Ev 120 RealTracks in song: 661:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm TexasRockCrisp Ev 120 (A:simple) RealTracks in song: 671:Organ, B3, Background Southern Ev 120 RealDrums in Song: CountryPopEv16^01-a:Sidestick, HiHat , b:Snare, HiHat RealDrums in style: PraiseWorshipPowerPush^1-a:Qck, b:PHt Brass By www.NewYorkBrass.com (arrangement by me) http://www.newyorkbrass.com/download-free-brass-samples.html Hey, Guenter... they are having a remix competition.... Harmonies by the janettes (That's Janice Merritt and me...) Tom - thanks for the ear. Loud is good. Loud in headphones will give you the real horns experience.. Have at it! floyd
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Good grief!!! I originally came on here to see if I could fix my broken BIAB - again.  I think I'll throw it away instead!!!  How could anyone top this? I was not expecting such an Opus. Tremendous creation in the music itself, the lyrics and the amazing Brass. The feeling was almost of a Live performance. You never cease to amaze me, Floyd. cheers ian
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Excellent tune Floyd. Loved the story in the lyrics.
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Hi Floyd.
Bit of a change in direction for you, I think, but it certainly works for me. I can tell a lot of work went into this and I must say it was worth it.
Obviously, I love the brass, but you really have to respect that bass player, too!
Great song, great vocals, great production, arrangement and mix.
I, for one, would love to hear you do some more like this.
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Hi Floyd,
you know exactly what you are doing!
And here you did a lot. After reading your
description I was surprised how it started. And
after going on listening I was even more surprised
how it developed. And that arrangement fit the lyrics!
A masterly production. Like Ian said a real opus.
Great use of the brass and the different basses.
I love the Janettes! And what awesome mix. I'm listening with my Stax headphones and it's a revelation.
I'm still listening without counting the listens.
Guenter
P.S. Thanks a lot for the hint to the remix contest. I'm going to give it a try.
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Good grief!!! I came on her to see if I could fix my broken BIAB - again. I think I'll throw it away instead!!! How could anyone top this? I was not expecting such an Opus. Tremendous creation in the music itself, the lyrics and the amazing Brass. The feeling was almost of a Live performance. You never cease to amaze me, Floyd. cheers ian LOL. Thanks, Ian! Good to see ya 'round here... hope you get that BIAB squared away... Excellent tune Floyd. Loved the story in the lyrics. Appreciate that, Scott...
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Wow! Monster complex production. Extremely good . Sounds almost orchestral rock opera in places. Cheers.
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Pretty Amazing production. I thought I was listening to the King. So he is alive. Wow!
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WOW!!! Opus is certainly the word for this! Pretty mind-blowing arrangement. The music is really complex too. It reminds me of Todd Rundgren in the sense that just when you think you know where it's going, there's another turn. Lyrics are really cool-paint just the right picture. This is just over the top in so many ways. Awesome accomplishment Floyd!! You are a master! Take care. Greg
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Floyd
A huge production - that does not typically sound like Band In A Box.
Excellent use of brass - great arrangement.
Vocal - both lead - and backing vocals which gave it a sort of big 60's feel (that 60's soul bass contributing to the feel)
Really interesting song structure and quite a showcase for what can be done.
Overall an excellent song.
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Hi Floyd.
Bit of a change in direction for you, I think, but it certainly works for me. I can tell a lot of work went into this and I must say it was worth it.
Obviously, I love the brass, but you really have to respect that bass player, too!
Great song, great vocals, great production, arrangement and mix.
I, for one, would love to hear you do some more like this.
ROG.
HA! I've got many directions... That bass player was 3 different players... they did just what I asked them to do... isn't BIAB the GREATEST band???!!!! The program allows you to explore so many avenues.... it is the holy grail...
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Wow Floyd and Janice! Now this is definitely something else. This could almost be part of a musical  . The vocals: Floyd, we never heard you sing this high pitched before! Janice: very rhythmic and tight backing. The music: These brass samples definitely dominate the song in a good way. RTs very well chosen. Altogether a totally different kind of song, but very good! About the free samples: in my case (serious RSI) not really usable, unless somebody creates a Kontakt shell, or Sampletank mapping. Anyone???? Rob
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Quite a production Floyd! I am sure this didn't happen overnight. Those kind of horns are the ones that I wanted BIAB to provide but maybe like you said it would be too difficult. Very nice piece...from start to finish. I keep reading that this is different for you, but I personally like for people to branch out away from their comfort zone. Variety is the spice of life for me (well with the exception of most Rap). Enjoyed!
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Wow FJ, You sound marvelous! Love that vocal. And the horns sound so real! Opus indeed - what a complex arrangement and production. Great job on the harmonies with Janice too. I felt like I was listening to the finale of a show in Vegas. Kudos for all the obvious work that went into this one. Color me amazed...
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Hey Floyd,
Just home from 11 days in the hospital after prep and then surgery. Not feeling real good but thought listening to the great talent here on BIAB User's Forum might brighten my mood. Wow, did it ever!
Something totally different from you... at least from what I've previously heard. I can tell how much work when into this...more than a lot! Your attention to detail shines through.
You said you don't know what you're doing. I'd like to protest that statement! I would classify this as Symphonic Rock. I thought of Blood Sweat and Tears as I listened.
Everything about this is par excellence. Wonderful piece of music performed to perfection. Wow, still taking it all in!
Alan
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Floyd, You're starting to scare us with your endless talent!
How good is that song? What an absolutely remarkable arrangement.
You provided a Full, rich, driving, top class delivery.
And Janice's contribution is superb. No surprise there either.
No doubt a big effort. This is Way up there.
Trev
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floyd, As sixchannel said that is astounding! your voice, the tune, the brass, the janettes, the everything The only thing that was normal was the mix. Altho' by normal I mean it was up to your usual extremely high standards. I have tried using those brass samples but got absolutely nowhere but I did use some of the vocal asides!! and noises  I understand and fully appreciate, from listening to the song, how much effort went into the final product. I can't even see the bar you have just re-set as it is so high now. and you berated me for the number of RTs I used in Train Surfer.  excellent, absolutely excellent Alyn
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Well now, a little Chicago, and BS&T, holy crap!!!!! Now that is a tune, a great composition and layered out perfectly, another great tune from the master, FJ!!!!!!!!!! Now those are the types of horns we need at PG Music, even if midi based, fantastic!!! 
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Unique. Outside the proverbial box. A lot of work in this one – kudos!
Regards,
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Floyd, I hope you didn't nick your fingers too bad with all the cut and pasting you did on this one.
I love the level of complexity and sophistication you achieved here and I think this is your best out of pocket genre song since "Diamonds" which I also found to be complex and sophisticated in its production.
This song ends the debate of BIAB track's use to create a first class, unique and commercial production.
Enjoyed this from start to finish and looking forward to see you top yourself because I can tell you are enjoying pushing the BIAB limits as well as your own imagination. You are taking us on quite a journey and it's really a fun ride.
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