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Hi folks,
big RT request :
basic acoustic rhythm guitars that can actually be used without much editing and masking, important :
- stick to the entered chords at all cost, no embellishments, no fancy stuff, except for maybe a different chord inversion as an alternative, or maybe capo 5
- strumming patterns starting out from the most generic versions, like downstroke (DS) on each quarter, eights with alternating DS-US, generic patterns like < DS * DS * DS US DS US > and so on, simple backbeat patterns ...
- and, absolutely crucial, stops and holds that sound believable even when played alone in a guitar / vocal arrangement, no "timid ducking away" or "playing something that might or might not fit", a stop is a stop, a hold is a hold, both should use the actual chord programmed.
- same for organ tracks, especially regarding stops and holds. While the current RTs do mostly sound great (still a tiny bit too "creative" at times), the stops and holds are a joke, sorry. Dropping a lonely low root note two octaves below instead of the actual chord just doesn't cut it.
- how about some basic bass RTs, pure straight eights, shuffled eights, pure "amsterdam", or even a simple alternating bass following the "secret golden Nashville rule", i.e. fitting every imaginable chord change scenario at the expense of sounding "creative" ?
Why am I asking for this ?
I use RTs as sketchpad for writing songs, so I can experiment with varying chord sequences, song structures etc without having to rerecord real instruments for every little tryout or change - most or all instrument RTs will be replaced with song-specific real recordings later on, when the basic structure of the song is fixed.
BiaB and RTs would be ideal for that workflow, if it only had a bunch of "boring" no-nonsense rhythm tracks as described. A quick b7 in a major chord rhythm might sound cool at first glance, unless your vocal line should feature a maj7 at that point in time - get my drift ?
Sticking strictly to what's programmed would keep your artistic freedom intact, you can always insert a more specific chord where needed ...
I would certainly be willing to purchase a well done set of no-nonsense RTs along these lines !
thanks for reading,
Rhino
originally posted in "RT Wishlist", I hope you'll forgive me cross-posting in this case.
Last edited by Rhino; 01/08/14 01:38 PM.
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basic acoustic rhythm guitars that can actually be used without much editing and masking, important :
- stick to the entered chords at all cost, no embellishments, no fancy stuff, except for maybe a different chord inversion as an alternative, or maybe capo 5
- strumming patterns starting out from the most generic versions, like downstroke (DS) on each quarter, eights with alternating DS-US, generic patterns like < DS * DS * DS US DS US > and so on, simple backbeat patterns ...
- and, absolutely crucial, stops and holds that sound believable even when played alone in a guitar / vocal arrangement, no "timid ducking away" or "playing something that might or might not fit", a stop is a stop, a hold is a hold, both should use the actual chord programmed.
- same for organ tracks, especially regarding stops and holds. While the current RTs do mostly sound great (still a tiny bit too "creative" at times), the stops and holds are a joke, sorry. Dropping a lonely low root note two octaves below instead of the actual chord just doesn't cut it.
- how about some basic bass RTs, pure straight eights, shuffled eights, pure "amsterdam", or even a simple alternating bass following the "secret golden Nashville rule", i.e. fitting every imaginable chord change scenario at the expense of sounding "creative" ?
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Rhino, now your talking. I've been wanting this in BIAB for a long time. While RT are good I don't want fancy. I want simple and boring because as you say that's what is required most of the time in a studio putting a song together. Some RT are good for a few bars then go off on there own. It is very frustrating and so far I don't see a solution
Nelson
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Hi Nelson,
thanks for your reply !
Personally I export my sketches to Cubase, as single tracks without FX. This gives me a lot of freedom to cut up, fade, move around and hide certain touchy areas, most of the time I export more "takes" of an instrument than I actually need so the chance of finding useful bits to transplant increases - but this takes quite some time and I'd rather not have to edit the sketches and get on with the creative part.
Call me crazy, but a badly executed stop or the occasional bum note in a rhythm section chord messes with my concentration and creativity, just like it does on stage.
cheers,
Rhino
I guess you could just as well use RealBand for edits, but Cubase has become second nature for me, and that's where the song will evolve further anyway, ymmv.
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My first couple attempts at a friends house turned out...bad, but I will keep trying for some simple acoustic strumming patterns...
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