|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15 |
For Real instruments that have Real Charts, is there some way to extract the complete MIDI files that correspond with each audio file? To clarify, if I load one of the audio files (for a real track instrument) into my DAW I can play it from beginning to end audibly. However, I would also like to see the corresponding Real Chart from beginning to end. Not just those sections that might be generated by BIAB to match the current song's chord progression. Alternatively, is there a way to force BIAB to generate a track that will match any given RT audio file from beginning to end so that the corresponding MIDI track could then be dragged into a DAW? Am I trying to look into Pandora's Box here or might we be able to do this without unearthing closely guarded PGM secrets?  Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,401
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,401 |
Bob,
It can be done. What version of BIAB do you have?
Sometimes the notation files do not parallel the RT note for note. This is because they are transcribed after the RT was was created at the PG Music studios (at least as far as I understand). For the faster and more complicated tracks, the discrepancies tend to be more noticeable. That being said, the notation provided is a very good representation.
Regards,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,520
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,520 |
I did some of the transcriptions in the early years of RealTracks. I do not know if the process (which is proprietary) has changed since then, but I can tell you my transcription sounded dead on when played along with the RealTrack. However, my MIDI transcription had none of the nuances characteristic of the instrument.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15 |
Thanks for the response guys. I'm not really expecting a perfect match but naturally the closer the better. However, regardless of how well or how poorly they match the audio, I really would like to be able to extract the RC MIDI files. It can be done. What version of BIAB do you have? I have BIAB 2014, Build 380. Could one of you please outline the procedure to extract the corresponding RC MIDI file for each audio file. Thanks in advance, Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827 |
Go to Options > Preferences > RealTracks and Tick "Save RealCharts in Midi Files. Go to File > Make a Standard Midi File. The track needs to have RealCharts, if it is green with an underline it should, also in the the realtrack picker window there is a Chart column that will say if it has a Chart. is is easy to access in RealBand http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=182571#Post182571
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15 |
Thanks solidrock but, I don't see how this gets me the RC for any specific audio file. I know how to get BIAB to generate the RC MIDI file for any given track it has created within a song but I want to get the chart associated with a given audio file in the RT folders.
For example, let's just take one specific file:
bb\RealTracks\Fiddle, SoloistWesternSwingAndy Sw165\fi0791.wma
For my installation, fi0791.wma is the very first audio file under the Fiddle... folder.
Now, how do I instruct BIAB to output the MIDI file associated with this RT audio file? Such a chart should depict approximately what the artist played when the fi0791.wma file was recorded.
What I want to do is to be able to choose any such audio file under the Real Tracks folder and obtain the corresponding RC MIDI file. Is there a way to do that and, if so, what is the procedure?
BTW I'm not using Real Band so I would prefer to do this with BIAB and/or my DAW.
Thanks again for any help,
Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827 |
Sorry, yes I see, I wanted the same some time back and still do, but I think Peter said there is no associated midi file for the RT, that the RC information was embedded in the program it's self. Maybe it should be suggested again in the wishlist ? I know if you get RealDrums from http://www.realdrumsforbiab.com/ they come with the associated midi file. If they could do this with the RealTracks and RealDrums it would be very helpful, sorry I could not help. Bob...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15 |
Thanks solidrock. OK Noel96, Bob,
It can be done. What version of BIAB do you have? Since you said it can be done, could you outline the procedure for us? Thanks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,401
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,401 |
Hi Bob, Not a problem. In 2014 it's easier than it's ever been. Load in the Realtrack that you are interested in. When the Realtrack is loaded, it must have a line under the name. See the below image. This line says that this RT has a notation file associated with it.  In the above image, the RT on the Piano track has notation associated with it (it is underlined) while RT on the Bass slot does not have notation. (This means that what I describe below will work for the the Piano track RT but not the Bass one.) When the track is loaded. Generate the song. There's no need for it to play through. Now simply left-click on the Piano Track and drag it across to the MID quadrant of the Drop Station.  Once it's done, right-click on the Drop Station and you can choose to go to the folder that it's stored in. Hope this helps, Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827 |
The only way you can do it at the moment is set tempo to 165 and drop the fi0791.wma in, Ctrl+A to highlight the whole track, go up to Audio menu > Pitch to Midi Convert, it gets it close but you have to play with the settings, you can redo a section by just highlighting that section only. It would be so much easier if they just convert the RC data to a midi file for each RT (fi0791.mid, fi0792.mid.....).
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15 |
Hi Noel96,
Thanks for your response but we must be having a communication problem. When you say 'generate your song' it sounds to me like you think I want the chart that matches the audio BIAB cobbles together for a specific song and RT instrument. But, what I want is the chart for the various audio files recorded by the Artists. Such as for the fi0791.wma file.
How do you propose I enter a song that will cause BIAB to generate the same audio as contained in the fi0791 file from beginning to end. That would be the key to doing it all right but how would I make such a song? For any given chord progression that I enter, BIAB is going to cobble together segments of fi0791, fi0792, ... according to its programmed strategy. I think it likely that the strategy will include some random phrase selections among other things so I don't know how to force BIAB to choose all the segments in a given file like fi0791 in unbroken order. I agree that if we could make BIAB do that, then it would be a simple matter to drag out the MIDI chart for that matching audio track.
If you know of some way to create such a song whose audio will match a given RT audio file, please describe your procedure.
Hi solidrock,
Your suggestion sounds a little more along the lines that will be needed to do this. I don't know if it will work or not, have you tried this? I expect to have a little block of time later today so I'll try something along these lines and get back with you.
Meanwhile, if anyone else knows some clever way to extract the MIDI chart info from the bt1 files, please chime in.
God Bless,
Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,401
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,401 |
Hi Bob,
Yes, I misinterpreted you post. Sorry about that. I can't help with what you're after.
Regards,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,520
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,520 |
Bob, I agree with Noel. The method to produce RealTracks and charts is proprietary and is unknown to users. I don't know how to do what you want.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15 |
Bob, I agree with Noel. The method to produce RealTracks and charts is proprietary and is unknown to users. I don't know how to do what you want. Thanks guys, I was afraid that might be the situation. Which is why I included Am I trying to look into Pandora's Box here or might we be able to do this without unearthing closely guarded PGM secrets? in my original post. God Bless, Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827 |
The best way that I tried was below in RealBand, that got it very close when I played the midi back along with the the original RT, you will just have to try that and see if is good enough for what you want.
"The only way you can do it at the moment is set tempo to 165 and drop the fi0791.wma in, Ctrl+A to highlight the whole track, go up to Audio menu > Pitch to Midi Convert, it gets it close but you have to play with the settings, you can redo a section by just highlighting that section only. It would be so much easier if they just convert the RC data to a midi file for each RT (fi0791.mid, fi0792.mid.....)."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827 |
Bob, I agree with Noel. The method to produce RealTracks and charts is proprietary and is unknown to users. I don't know how to do what you want. Am I trying to look into Pandora's Box here or might we be able to do this without unearthing closely guarded PGM secrets? I don't think it has to do with that, look at midi super tracks, I think they just haven't thought of doing it nor got around to doing it. As I said put it again in the wishlist.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15 |
Hi solidrock, I'm sorry that I haven't gotten around to your suggestion yet but I've been kind of overloaded today Now that I read your post more carefully, I see that you are suggesting using RB's pitch to MIDI converter. Presently at least I'm not using RB but I would imagine that I could do the same thing with Melodyne so when I get a little breather, I'll try that. However, I was kind of hoping there would be some easy way to extract it. After all the MIDI file or its equivalent must live somewhere. Regarding adding this request the wishlist, I'm a newbie here so I'm not familiar with that department yet but if you already did that, could you point me to what you posted? Anyway, thanks to everyone for your kind responses. Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 15 |
That is indeed surprising because generally speaking Melodyne is very good. If the audio to MIDI converter in RB is that good maybe I should fire up RB BTW I cast my vote for your Wishlist post. Hope others will join in. Rejoice, Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Add-ons and UserTracks for Band-in-a-Box
|
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 4
Newbie
|
|
Newbie
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 4 |
Hi Bob,
If you are using sonar X3 or Cubase Daws load the wma file into the daw. Open the pitch correction screen and select pitch to midi. That will generate a midi file from the wave file. I use this when I want to correct some of the playing of the solo/melody instruments that sometimes play funny notes.
Regards
Willie
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows® Today!
If you’ve already purchased Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®, great news—a new update is now available! This update introduces a handy new feature: a vertical cursor in the Tracks window that shows the current location across all tracks, and more.
Discover everything included in this free update and download it now at https://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1124
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®: Boot Camp: The AI Lyrics Generator
With Band-in-a-Box 2025® for Windows®, we've introduced an exciting new feature: the AI Lyrics Generator! In this video, Tobin guides you step-by-step on how to make the most of this new tool.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®: Boot Camp: The AI Lyrics Generator video.
Check out the forum post for more information.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®: Using VST3 Plugins
Band-in-a-Box 2025® for Windows® now includes support for VST3 plugins, bringing even more creative possibilities to your music production. Join Simon as he guides you through the process in this easy-to-follow demonstration!
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®: Using VST3 Plugins
Join the conversation on our forum.
Video: Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows: Using The BB Stem Splitter!
In this video, Tobin provides a crash course on using the new BB Stem Splitter feature included in Band-in-a-Box 2025® for Windows®. During this process he also uses the Audio Chord Wizard (ACW) and the new Equalize Tempo feature.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®: Using the BB Stem Splitter
Check out the forum post for some optional Tips & Tricks!
Congrats to Misha (Rustyspoon)…downloaded/installed a full Audiophile 2025!
Breaking News!
We’re thrilled to announce that Rustyspoon has made PG history as the very first person to successfully complete the download and install of the full Band-in-a-Box 2025 Windows Audiophile Edition (with FLAC files)—a whopping 610GB of data!
A big shoutout to Rustyspoon for stepping up to be our test "elf!"
Thank you for your support, Rustyspoon!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows Videos
With the launch of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows, we're adding new videos to our YouTube channel. We'll also share them here once they are published so you can easily find all the Band-in-a-Box® 2025 and new Add-on videos in one place!
Whether it's a summary of the new features, demonstrations of the 202 new RealTracks, new XPro Styles PAK 8, or Xtra Styles PAKs 18, information on the 2025 49-PAK, or detailed tutorials for other Band-in-a-Box® 2025 features, we have you covered!
Reference this forum post for One-Stop Shopping of our Band-in-a-Box® 2025 Videos - we will be updating this post as more videos are added!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows is here, packed with major new features and an incredible collection of available new content! This includes 202 RealTracks (in Sets 449-467), plus 20 bonus Unreleased RealTracks in the 2025 49-PAK. There are new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 4, two new sets of “RealDrums Stems,” XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAK 19, and more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 with savings of up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special—available until December 31, 2024! Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
2025 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some incredible Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Windows 2025 packages, but for even more Add-ons (including 20 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.
If you have any questions, feel free to connect with us directly—we’re here to help!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums65
Topics83,469
Posts758,245
Members39,126
| |
Most Online3,932
Nov 19th, 2024
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean