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Dear PGmusic development team & product managers, After my return of experience of using BandInABox on Vista, I would appreciate a Linux (e.g Ubuntu) version of BandInABox. Is it a dream ? Your comments are welcome Gargoyle http://gargoyle.free.fr/
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I wonder how many more users there would be with a Linux version available ??
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I wonder how many more users there would be with a Linux version available ?? Also original post from 15 years ago. A +1 from me, of course, assuming I don't just walk away first ... they also need to fix a lot of quite fundamental issues, IMHO.
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Musoline, you got to much time on your hands brotha!
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YES ! because I had to quit my day job of creating tracks for artist on a daily basis because of the sheer frustration and constantly crashing RB, so I tried hard every day to get PG in a better place even though it seems to be flogging a dead horse like I did with RealBand.
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Hmm. Never considered Linux! Open source competition. Seems impossible but more power to ya. PG Music wants to charge people for switching from Win to Mac whereas it doesn’t cost them anything. I’m out of here. I have been a loyal customer of BIAB since mid-80’s and am current with upgrades, UltraPak etc. and have referred many a new client to PG Music and all they give me is a 20% off coupon while punishing me for the switch? Ha! I’m not having it. If ANYONE can find a way to give them a swift competitive kick, let’s go!
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Hmm. Never considered Linux! Open source competition. Seems impossible but more power to ya. FWIW, whilst Linux itself is OpenSource, not everything on it needs to be and I have a number of paid-for programs on it, a number of paid-for programs under Wine. In any case, OpenSource does not preclude charging for software and a number of companies offer support services for their programs. BIAB can be made to work under Wine, but it can be quite a bit of work and needs the audio like RealTrack files in .wav format. I use Linux for around 95% of everything I do. The exceptions are probably just BIAB and my PCB CAD.
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I wonder how many more users there would be with a Linux version available ?? I doubt that there would be many more. This is the latest survey I've seen: According to Statcounter, Linux has 4.03% of the global market share for desktop operating systems. This is up from 3% in June 2023, and past the 4% mark that was reached in March 2024. However, ChromeOS has a higher market share than Linux, accounting for 4.15% Sorry, Gordon, it's never been 5%. Anyway, that leaves out a very important statistic: Most of the Linux desktops are business machines. Motorola's few million seats is the reason that Salesforce has a Linux version (I was working for SF's second biggest customer when those first 2.1M seats were sold). How many of those machines would run BIAB if available? Zero? None? Something in between? Outside of business, Linux is a hobbyist's toy—fun, yes but it's never been more than a niche market. I'm an old UNIX head living smack dab in the Silicon Valley and I've never seen evidence of anything more. Development and marketing takes about the same effort and resources as it would for Mac or PC. Once released, it would further consume support resources. Running it over WINE or other emulation must still be supported if an official release. If Steinberg/Yamaha and Presonus/Fender started making serious noise about Linux support, perhaps the rest of the world will take notice. Perhaps if pro music production desktops climbed past the less than 1% they are now, then perhaps maybe. The same hundred people posting on chat boards for years ain't gonna do it, however. No one is making anything like BIAB for iPadOS. If PG Music is looking for a new market, that's the place to go. Unfortunately, BIAB Audiophile takes about 2.1TB on my M2 Studio — it's going to have to be a lot more resource efficient to make it to the iPad.
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Sorry, Gordon, it's never been 5%. Probably true, though also according to statcounter it's often been greatly outnumbered by "unknown". Outside of business, Linux is a hobbyist's toy—fun, yes but it's never been more than a niche market. Surely outside of business, every desktop/tablet OS is essentially a toy. Most users browse the Web, email friends, write the odd note, make the odd spreadsheet whether for calculation or as a "database". I don't know the numbers but I rather imagine both Android and iPad/iPhone now vastly outnumber all of the desktop environments, probably combined. That's certainly the case in the local U3A "computer groups" in which I assist. Understandably, Microsoft have fought very hard to try to block/disable/cripple/dissuade Linux use, very often successfully. Why would most people struggle to install Linux on a PC that came with a pre-installed Windows and an EFI BIOS that needs some probing around "under the hood" to get something else installed. It's similar with MS Office ... people subscribe to Office 365 which came 'bundled' rather than try the OpenSource alternatives. Yes, I would like a Linux version, though I hold out little hope. The reality is that most development is done on Windows, for Windows, and even the Mac versions are only produced with reluctance. In business environments I've often been told that the company standard is Windows and that an end to it. What I do find frustrating is that I have long found Unix/Linux to be a far more productive environment for software development, though I certainly accept that Microsoft Studio does many things very well, but again it's a deliberate lock-in. Well, they do have a business to run and profits to earn. WSL is almost certainly also a way to make Linux desktops "appear" to be Windows. Again, why wouldn't they? Most software I've developed on desktops I've done with Linux, making the ports to Windows and Mac part of the process. It's usually fairly easy to do that, though I don't normally get too close to the sound hardware/drivers. I've never had a Mac, but the times I've had my Mac ports run by other people, they've worked as they should, so I've never justified buying one even for bug-fixing. I don't mind being considered an oddity, in fact sometimes I quite like being an oddity rather than a sheep. But I do find it very frustrating that MS often try to stop me being an oddity ... it's none of their business! Others' mileages undoubtedly will vary 
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Gordon.
loved the oddity comment...my wife says im an oddity...lol.
would be a boring world if we were all the same.
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You can make a wish Biab for Linux, but it won't happen soon. Dream On
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Gordon.
loved the oddity comment...my wife says im an oddity...lol.
would be a boring world if we were all the same.
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I have most of those, actually, and also MixBus. I think my BitWig is probably a trial version, but I bought most of the other commercial software and I usually donate for the freebies, quite a few of which are very good. I don't have u-he or Vital.
I've always been able to operate my Ui24R from a browser on Linux and I've also recently discovered how to use a DAW to host plug-ins for it. I hadn't even considered that. I suspect that I could use any plugin that works with jack as that handles all the patching, routing and the like that Windows just doesn't do natively. There are a few patch tools for Windows, though.
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This is what Robin over at Ardour.org stated: There are some statistics from “new version checks” from official versions from ardour.org and Linux users have a slight edge. That does not include all the versions from linux-distros (who disable version check calls to ardour.org ).
Ubuntu alone has 74481 installs and that’s only from users who agreed to submit stats.
As of today, official stats say 43% Linux, 42% Window, 15% Mac. Yet by factoring in Ubuntu alone it’s more like 75%, 18%, 5%. and that doesn’t include Debian, KXStudio, AVlinux, Arch, etc
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Gordon.. my…comments about linux…more of my odd opinions…lol… ..let's say win and mac os didnt exist and only linux os running the software listed in my link above…would this stop the abbey and martin and the beat wells ? i dont think it would. they would think they were in creation heaven compared to the limitations of recording gear in the 60's imho…. ..i find it telling that some big daw names now run on linux. Are they odd too ? lol....i think it fair to say however that some newbies to linux who dont know linux need a one click install approach....then bam...up comes the main screen with all the music apps. ..much as i love the new mac m processor tech…I could run a music rig on a refurb pc for a few hundred bucks…eg very powerful hp Z series or lenovo workstation series….both of which used to be used by big boy studios cos of xeon processor power etc…and in the process spend the 1.5 k saved on a stonking good interface and other gear…. (btw as an aside as you're into tech like me check out the sterling audio p30 mic videos on you tube. it has the gain booster built in..thus usefull re some low gain interface mic pre's..…friendly price too. ) ..the daw battle i'm really watching for is on the PI. which already has big name daws running on it. Maybe I'm odd…but..as we see more powerful processors on PI (now PI 5)...i suspect we will see some interesting market situations develop…. ..as to phones/tablets (my wife loves her motorola phone)...i remain a sceptic until the tech develops further. the underlying hardware platforms i feel need to evolve further. I can't see them doing high track and plugin counts and running terabytes of pg content and bb and rb....etc etc. (btw…mini ryzen pc is still rocking my world…my 3 songs in my sig were done useing it. (thanks for suggesting mini pc's kudos.) win or bb or rb boots from the cold in a few secs. and will do more tracks than I will ever use in a song. and amazing ultra ultra low dpc microsecond latency. fyi it continues to amaze me that people still go out and buy any old pc without testing it and the inherent microsecond latency without adding any gear like sound interface etc. no wonder they often get probs. it's not wins fault if the users pc has high dpc (and bloat…and a ton of background processes running that might interfere with the primary recording task etc….)... fyi…here's a site that checks inherent pc dpc latency for loads of pc's. from highest to lowest latencies. https://www.notebookcheck.net/DPC-Latency-Ranking-Which-laptops-and-Windows-tablets-offer-the-lowest-latency.504376.0.htmlas you can see it's a very interesting chart…highest down to lowest dpc. maybe someone reading this will find it interesting.) respect and happiness. om
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This is what Robin over at Ardour.org stated: There are some statistics from “new version checks” from official versions from ardour.org and Linux users have a slight edge. That does not include all the versions from linux-distros (who disable version check calls to ardour.org ).
Ubuntu alone has 74481 installs and that’s only from users who agreed to submit stats.
As of today, official stats say 43% Linux, 42% Window, 15% Mac. Yet by factoring in Ubuntu alone it’s more like 75%, 18%, 5%. and that doesn’t include Debian, KXStudio, AVlinux, Arch, etc I think that Ardour was originally developed on Linux and then ported to Windows and Mac, which would give it a head start on Linux. OpenSource and free also helps! Mixbus is a derivative, so not surprisingly is available on Linux. Reaper's guys noticed and supported the many people running it in Wine and worked on a native version. The native has been out for some years now. That business of disabling version checks is significant. There have always been quite a few people in corporate environments who disable (or falsify) version reporting because they use a Linux box against company standards. I kind-of did for many years, particularly for things like version control, where the Windows alternatives were just incompetent. In my case I had an agreement to go against 'policy' as I proved my case. A great many people just go with the flow.
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my…comments about linux…more of my odd opinions…lol… I don't really want to write too much here for fairly obvious reasons. I'll write a quick aside relating very loosely to the Abbey Road & Martin observation ... Most, possibly all, of the cinematic CGI stuff runs on Linux. Nether Windows nor Mac were capable of that in the early days. I'm not sure they are even now. The reasons that Windows and Mac are most popular desktop OSs is because of the power of marketing and because they're the path of least resistance.
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I saw this, but haven't checked it all out: Zorin OS 17.1 makes it even easier to run your must-have Windows apps on Linux
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Here's one reason that I dislike Windows. My notepad PC is dual boot as occasionally I want to run Windows on it. I just did to test something (which didn't work), Windows(8.1) did an update. Now it always reboots to Windows ... it's somehow even bypassing the bios, so even resetting to Linux as the first boot, the PC boots into f***ing Windows! I need my Linux on this PC, no ifs, no buts! I need it urgently!
There are times like this when I could actively get to hate Microsoft and Windows.
Edit ... Rather than bypassing the bios, I wonder if it modified the boot details on the Linux drives. Either way, it has cost this particular Windows installation its life. It's gone!
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Here's one reason that I dislike Windows. My notepad PC is dual boot as occasionally I want to run Windows on it. I just did to test something (which didn't work), Windows(8.1) did an update. Now it always reboots to Windows ... it's somehow even bypassing the bios, so even resetting to Linux as the first boot, the PC boots into f***ing Windows! I need my Linux on this PC, no ifs, no buts! I need it urgently!
There are times like this when I could actively get to hate Microsoft and Windows. I've now tried every fix and repair I can access, with no success. Final option ... reformat the drive and get rid of Windows from it. In truth, now that I've retired, I probably don't really any longer need a Win8.1 machine as I rarely now have to verify software on it. It's an absolutely awful desktop anyway. Good riddance. As my fix attempts also broke Win8.1, I also can't now deactivate the BIAB that's on it.
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I had that problem on my tower PC, I had to unplug the Win HD for it to boot Linux each time.
I made a Linux install on a USB 3 stick for my sister's HP notepad that seem to work using the laptop's boot menu.
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I had that problem on my tower PC, I had to unplug the Win HD for it to boot Linux each time.
I made a Linux install on a USB 3 stick for my sister's HP notepad that seem to work using the laptop's boot menu. They were partitions on the same SSD drive, so wiping the partitions was my best try. Didn't work. Win8.1's desktop was cra^H^H^H suboptimal anyway. Whatever, it's done and AVL:MXE now has the entire one terabyte SSD to itself, my touch-screen PC is back and I'm feeling less stressed about a forthcoming sound setup and rehearsal. I have another laptop that I could fall back onto, but it's Windows, has no built-in touchscreen, and getting an external touch screen reliable has been an issue. A mouse works at a pinch, the touchpad is useless/scary for live sound. I could also connect a touch screen direct to the mixer, but I find it a bit slow and clumsy like that.
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Was just over at the Reaper forum, I don't know if the user number is anything to go by, but it gives an idea: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28009&filename=Reaper-Mac-Lin.png)
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Was just over at the Reaper forum, I don't know if the user number is anything to go by, but it gives an idea: Curious ... I don't see the viewing numbers. Numbers of threads and posts differ more, but then Reaper for Linux is much more recent than Win & Mac versions. Similar thread/post ratios on Mixbus forum; Ardour has more Linux than the others as one might expect. There are almost certainly more people interested in and/or using Linux than people tend to think. Of my circle, most just use tablets, but of those that use PCs around 1/4 use Linux at least some of the time. I may have been partly responsible for that, though, so my circle may have a skew.
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I think Reaper was working flawlessly under Wine but they still made a native version. PG would have to go the JUCE way to get a Linux version otherwise they would need another 6 months in a year to make the Linux version, so you would need a 18 month year, 24 months for iPad, 30 months for Android also...... Going JUCE will give iPad/Android as well all at the same time. If these run, Biab should run: The Top 4 DAWs for iPad Best DAW for Android It all just seems like a no brainer, I really can't see Biab lasting into the future how it is now without development of something new in parallel behind the scenes. After seeing Logic for iPad with a chord track and AI session musicians that play along to it, the writing is most definitely on the wall.
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Just saw this quote: I love Biab, (nowadays since I have to use Linux I use JJazzLab )
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XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2024 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box version 2024 is here with 200 brand new styles to take for a spin!
Along with 50 new styles each for the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, we’ve put together a collection of styles using sounds from the SynthMaster plugin!
In this PAK you'll find: dubby reggae grooves, rootsy Americana, LA jazz pop, driving pop rock, mellow electronica, modern jazz fusion, spacey country ballads, Motown shuffles, energetic EDM, and plenty of synth heavy grooves! Xtra Style PAK 18 features these styles and many, many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 18 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Expand your Band-in-a-Box 2024® library with Xtra Styles PAK 18! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 18 here.
Watch the Xtra Styles PAK 18 Overview & Styles Demos video.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 18 requires the 2024 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box version 2024 is here with 200 brand new styles to take for a spin!
Along with 50 new styles each for the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, we’ve put together a collection of styles using sounds from the SynthMaster plugin!
In this PAK you'll find: dubby reggae grooves, rootsy Americana, LA jazz pop, driving pop rock, mellow electronica, modern jazz fusion, spacey country ballads, Motown shuffles, energetic EDM, and plenty of synth heavy grooves! Xtra Style PAK 18 features these styles and many, many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 18 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Expand your Band-in-a-Box 2024® library with Xtra Styles PAK 18! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 18 here.
Watch the Xtra Styles PAK 18 Overview & Styles Demos video.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 18 requires the 2024 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 7 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 7 with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 50 RealTracks and RealDrums that are sure to delight!
With XPro Styles PAK 7 you can expect 25 rock & pop, 25 jazz, and 25 country styles, as well as 25 of this year's wildcard genre: Celtic!
Here's a small sampling of what XPro Styles PAK 7 has to offer: energetic rock jigs, New Orleans funk, lilting jazz waltzes, fast Celtic punk, uptempo train beats, gritty grunge, intense jazz rock, groovy EDM, soulful R&B, soft singer-songwriter pop, country blues rock, and many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 7 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box 2024® with XPro Styles PAK 7! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Watch the XPro Styles PAK 7 Overview & Styles Demos video.
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2024 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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