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Thanks for your info.
Just for your info. from mine: Before upgraded to 2018, I had Biab2015pro and UVIworkStation plug-in 2.6.15. The BIaB2015 loaded fine with My PC, OS WIN10.
WIN11 OS build 23H2, 16MB, 1TG SSD.
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Depending on who you ask, I'd like to think I can program, and I have worked in the past as a developer/tester.
[quote=VideoTrack] He wrote this article - a long time ago now. It's great advice and this advice is still current. The thing I discovered a long time ago, and is still true today, is that although those Pascal Objects look pretty, they don't behave the same as the other components in the system. Like for instance in RB where the scroll wheel on my mouse decides to have a mind of its own. Yeah I could probably find some adjustments to make, but that is just the first clue that some other things might be different or quirky. You can call it "Modern" all you want, sort of like calling BB lite pro, is still not going to make it so. I've been using Delphi since 1995 and I'm wondering if you can fill me in on what exactly these "Pascal Objects" are that you are referring to?
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" Delphi is the choice for developers wanting the power, readability and flexibility of the Modern Object Pascal language, coupled with native compilers and component libraries for fast single source code development on Windows, macOS, iOS, Android and Linux."
You must be kidding, it's plastered on the front page of their site. I had checked out Delphi back in the day when I was using Lazarus and CodeTyphon, but I never stayed with Pascal.
Why even JavaScript has passed up Pascal, so please spare me the sales pitch about how wonderful and efficient it is, because we already know that it's no joke.
With that being said, I can't seem to do anything serious with this product written in it. I've sent in a support request, and I've posted it here with no response from PG yet. I also see that other people are having problems with the audio and rendering, so I'm not worried that it won't be fixed.
So to sum it up, what I am worried about is the fact that I can't get Realband to focus on one track without jumping and scrolling like crazy. The late 90's was about the time I stopped using them because of the same quirky behavior seen in their prebuilt components.
I'm not trying to make it seem like doom and gloom, but there are going to be a lot more edge cases where there are going to be issues using it.
Let's not try to kid ourselves here, just like every other piece software ever written, it does have its own set of issues.
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FL Studio is written using Delphi and are many other properly functioning programs, the behavior you mention is all based out how event handlers are coded to respond to Windows' messages, it has nothing to do with the language the program is written in. The problem with BIAB is it's a DOS program that is merely using Windows as it's GUI. It has never been properly updated to function as a multithreaded event driven program. That has nothing to do with what language is being used. There are many programs written in C++ which have similar issues because their legacy code has never been properly updated.
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So to sum it up, what I am worried about is the fact that I can't get Realband to focus on one track without jumping and scrolling like crazy. The late 90's was about the time I stopped using them because of the same quirky behavior seen in their prebuilt components. Please clarify: You stopped using RealBand in the late 90's ? Or as a programmer, you don't actually know how to tailor/override native event handlers to handle mouse scroll events? Or, you couldn't get something to work in the late 90's, (like 18+ years ago), and you believe that there's been no changes or new releases in the product since, so it's still unusable? I.e. the features available then are the same features now? I guess one of the above must be correct. I'm just a little interested to know. Could it be that maybe you didn't know how to use it back then, so got frustrated and just gave up? Just a thought.
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Yeah, it was a little confusing, but obviously I was referring to the toolkits(Borland back then). Seems like I did check out BB in the early days, but don't remember really using it. You were able to deduce that much from it, and VT was right about the frustration part.
I don't care how "popular" FL Studio is, it's not in my studio. I'm afraid we are back to square one, so spare me the excuses about it not being multi-threaded.
Why isn't it not updated then? How many more excuses are you going to dream up? Java is still slow, and yet you still see people praising it.
You can forget about trying to play me stupid, because while the rest of the world has moved on to 64 bits and hyper-threading, you just trying to drag me back to the stone ages with you.
It's a no-brainer, if you running old technology, then chances are very high that you'll have problems with newer technology. You want me to believe in magic, and I do believe in the work that has been done with BB & RB, but as time marches on so do the Windows updates.
This has already been discussed numerous times on this message board. You already know the deal. Enough with the excuses already, why some of you keep claiming they don't need to update the code is beyond me.
The program has been feature complete years ago, but go on and keep dreaming up more features to cram into 32 bits, all while telling me everything is going to be fine. Yes they worked the heck out of them 32 bits, but my goodness where does it end?
Again, absolutely awesome work, so I'm not complaining. PG Music has been doing and is doing a wonderful job. Just don't act like there aren't skeletons lurking in it.
What am I suppose be all giddy because they keep adding new features, yet I can only apply four beats per measure, unless I work around "cells." I'm a musician, not an accountant using a spreadsheet.
I could go on, but I'd rather not do it here, because I don't want people to get the wrong idea.
I got this quote from a Java source, but it still applies here.
"If your language allows to draw piexel on screen then it is 100% possible to create a gui framework based on it which will mimic Windows form controls looks & feel precisely"
Keyword highlighted. We shouldn't have this conversation here, and I'll leave it at that. Have a good day!
Last edited by CoolBreeze; 12/16/17 04:09 AM. Reason: oops I did it again!
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Yeah, it was a little confusing, but obviously I was referring to the toolkits(Borland back then). Seems like I did check out BB in the early days, but don't remember really using it. You were able to deduce that much from it, and VT was right about the frustration part.
I don't care how "popular" FL Studio is, it's not in my studio. I'm afraid we are back to square one, so spare me the excuses about it not being multi-threaded.
Why isn't it not updated then? How many more excuses are you going to dream up? Java is still slow, and yet you still see people praising it.
You can forget about trying to play me stupid, because while the rest of the world has moved on to 64 bits and hyper-threading, you just trying to drag me back to the stone ages with you.
It's a no-brainer, if you running old technology, then chances are very high that you'll have problems with newer technology. You want me to believe in magic, and I do believe in the work that has been done with BB & RB, but as time marches on so do the Windows updates.
This has already been discussed numerous times on this message board. You already know the deal. Enough with the excuses already, why some of you keep claiming they don't need to update the code is beyond me.
The program has been feature complete years ago, but go on and keep dreaming up more features to cram into 32 bits, all while telling me everything is going to be fine. Yes they worked the heck out of them 32 bits, but my goodness where does it end?
Again, absolutely awesome work, so I'm not complaining. PG Music has been doing and is doing a wonderful job. Just don't act like there aren't skeletons lurking in it.
What am I suppose be all giddy because they keep adding new features, yet I can only apply four beats per measure, unless I work around "cells." I'm a musician, not an accountant using a spreadsheet.
I could go on, but I'd rather not do it here, because I don't want people to get the wrong idea.
I got this quote from a Java source, but it still applies here.
"If your language allows to draw piexel on screen then it is 100% possible to create a gui framework based on it which will mimic Windows form controls looks & feel precisely"
Keyword highlighted. We shouldn't have this conversation here, and I'll leave it at that. Have a good day!
You're all over the place and it's safe to say you're not a programmer because very little of what you're saying makes any sense. You're just throwing around a lot of terms and trying to blame a programming language, when in fact the language has absolutely nothing to do with it. BIAB has plenty of issues but switching to a different programming language will solve none of them, it will just create more bugs trying to port it.
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After I verify my credentials, then you'll come up with some other excuse. I'm starting to see what this environment is really about ... not so "open" after all. I may have to still try and get a refund.
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What excuse have I come up with? I'm just stating a single fact, the programming language used has absolutely nothing to do with what you've been talking about since your very first post and no amount of flimflam will change that.
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Well, I'm not a programmer, but I think that Coolbreeze made some valid and legitimate observations: Bugs will always be a part of the process, but how about taking care of existing ones before adding new features that just introduce more bugs? It's called feature creep, and they have a bad case of it, there's no denying that.
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and no amount of flimflam will change that. I will admit I do like your style, persistent with the added flair. You've probably already established your credentials, so I won't question you. It has everything to do with it! Now please follow the flimflam man because my name is not Dorothy, and we're not heading down a yellow brick road to home. We'll need to change threads for this.
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