'Band in a Box is so easy to use' no it isn't - there is nothing easy about Band in a Box, I have spent goodness knows how much money and time on it over the years, and still have problems using it. I always give up eventually, and I am not a stupid person and I don't give up easily.. Drum Fills for example? Audio Chord Wizard - its quicker to put the chords in manually
These are created by the part markers. The part markers are blue and green boxes around the bar numbers. Drum fills play in the bar immediately before the part marker.
If you have a look at the video of the chordsheet of my below song...
...you'll see that bars 1, 5, 14 (and others) are enclosed in blue boxes. Bars 23, 49, 58, etc. have green boxes. These are the part markers and they tell BIAB two things:
1. put a drum break immediately before the part marker;
2. the style variation to play.
The green part marker introduces a style with more movement. I tend to use for the chorus. The blue part marker has less movement and suits verses.
BIAB keeps on playing in a style's variation until it meets another part marker.
Hope this helps.
Also,
There are a number of video clips at the below link. (I'm guessing that you probably have Windows BIAB.)
Yes, it's definitely quicker to enter the chords manually rather than use ACW.
I use ACW primarily for those songs that I cannot find chords for. It's a work tool for me. Sometimes it does a great job, sometimes (if the chords are highly complex) it requires human intervention to get the best output.
'Band in a Box is so easy to use' no it isn't - there is nothing easy about Band in a Box, I have spent goodness knows how much money and time on it over the years, and still have problems using it. I always give up eventually, and I am not a stupid person and I don't give up easily.. Drum Fills for example? Audio Chord Wizard - its quicker to put the chords in manually
I agree, BIAB is not easy or intuitive to use and I have been using it for 18 years. The main reason is that PG are too quick to respond to requests from users to implement changes and minor enhancements that may satisfy a few pet peeves but ignore the effect on new users who are overwhelmed by the myriad of ways of doing essentially the same thing.
I have learned over many years that whenever a relative newcomer criticizes software you will always get the power users pointing out that it is really very easy and makes perfect sense. These users spend a huge proportion of their time working with the software but they don't represent the future for the product. It's a bit like blaming the victim. I have commented many many times that PG should recognise the needs of beginners and strive to simplify not complicate and start ignoring requests for inconsequential minor complicating tweeks.
Interesting point, Tony. I’ve requested many changes that have been implemented, but I would like to think most are ones that make the program act as you would expect from experience with other Windows programs. This makes it easier, not harder or more complex. But I do understand your point.
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IMO and others, of course, BiaB is an extraordinarily complex program in that it will meets the needs of many, many disparate users. And for that it needs to be complex. I think the key is to decide what your objectives are and focus on how to achieve them. I'm almost an exclusive user of RTs, RDs and Midi Super Tracks. Via that focus I've learned the "ins and outs" of using them for our productions. I know I'm using a very small percentage of BiaB's capabilities but it works for us and has enabled us to produce music in multiple genres that six years ago we would never have dreamed was possible.
I do understand where you are coming from. BiaB is a very complex program and IMHO the menus and manuals are of little help. But I feel the same way about the high end DAWs that I have used. They are also very complex, have more than one way to so some things, have difficult to understand menus and have very poor manuals, some much worst than BiaB's manual. The only solution is to use the software, research the manual (once you understand the techno-talk) and watch the videos. My personal approach is to watch the videos, use the software and when stumped check the manual. YMMV
Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
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A beginner can 1) install the program, 2) select a style, 3) fill 32 bars with chords (hopefully creating a recognizable chord progression but if not then that's okay), 4) press play and 4) hear music. That is easy. Most people will be delighted with the results ... at first. Once a beginner grows tired of auditioning styles and RealTracks they think about creating songs. That's when they discover the next step is hard.
You have to go beyond the obvious and dig deeper into Band-in-a-Box's bag of tricks. The trouble is, the bag is deep and it is filled with many tricks. The tricks are not well organized and in some cases not documented.
There are so many tools in the tool chest it is difficult to determine what tool is needed to accomplish specific tasks. One way around this stumbling block is to simplify the screen.
One solution is to create tabbed windows. The tab names describe basic tasks such as: Playlist, Practice, Record, Notation, Hybrid, MIDI, RealTracks and so on. I think there are likely no more than 10 to 15 specific, but different, tasks users commonly perform.
Each tab limits what icons and workspace are displayed to whatever is needed to support the task. Ideally, song and global preferences could be set for each task.
Think about a beginner wanting to use the chord sheet screen to create their first song project. What tools do they need? How about rest, hold and push icons perhaps? What other icons? I don't think they need the Conductor or Jukebox icons on this tabbed window.
Tabs free up a lot of a screen's real estate by spreading what is available over multiple screens. Band-in-a-Box already has multiple windows, the control panel just needs to be organized for each window.
Well I guess you may be right. Band In A Box is a very complex program.
Here's how I simplified it.
I figured out what I wanted it to do for me......and only use those things.
Which is......Implement the chords and structure of the song I'm writing.
Then I disregard all the other features in it. I don't need 90% of the things in it so I don't even bother learning how to use them. I know what I need and how to use it and that's all that matters.
Part markers give you the drum fills. If that doesn't work for you like you want, you can always do a completely new drum part. In fact, several guys here are using drum loops & synths now for better sound quality and control on the drums.
ACW: I messed with this early on. Very complicated but in the song I used it on it actually worked well. So a writer sent me a song that needed a part. I spent a good 2+ hrs trying to get the ACW to figure out the parts. In the end, I deleted that work, opened a new template and entered the chords manually and was done in 10 minutes. So I don't use that feature in my work.
Once I have the structure and chords, I save it and close it. I open it in Real band..... render the tracks to audio, add the tracks I want and expert to my DAW. Sonar. In there, I replace tracks with better tracks.... guitars, drums, bass, etc.... I keep what works and finish the song in Sonar.
Learn what you need and disregard the rest.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
One thing that helped me was to examine at least one demo file every day. Over 3 years that is more than 1000 demo files studied. You will see almost all the tricks inside those demo files--plus cool chord progressions.
Then the following screenshots show the basic tools that I think are the coolest. The first one is just wicked. What's not to love. It forces you to think about what chords you have already used and where you might want to go. Once you figure it out, you just hit the button.
(Right click to open these images in a new tab if they are hard to see.)
One the second, you have to "master these dots" to solo instruments or add holds, etc. Very useful. You just have to mess around with it. Experiment with the dots.
One thing missing in many examples is that you have to use a comma in a chord entry box to push it to the next beat. That is also useful. In other words if you want a chord on 1 and 4 in 4/4, enter a chord in box 1, then comma followed by chord in box 2.
In 3/4, typing in the second box puts that chord on beat 3, a chord comma chord entry in bar one puts the second chord on beat 2.
I do wish that the site would make a really easy to access a chord entry manual for beginners in a place that is super easy to find and sticky. It is the MOST important tool. I found the text somewhere and made my own, but you really need it, and I wish a pdf could be made for all users and put in a really easy to find place.
For example, a diminished7 is a mb5 in PG notation. There would be no way to know that without the translator.
Here it is though. I suggest a cut and paste into a word doc.
Other than that, I find the program pretty easy, but I just use it for the basics, and then play a lot of stuff myself.
For recording, I find it indispensable. I use Real Band a lot for recording. You just open up the BIAB file, create a .seq file, arm a track and you can see the chord chart rolling past your face as you are laying down audio.
I don't know of another place where you can do that, and it is my bread and butter.
It makes my life 1000 easier, not 1000 times harder.
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I equate BIAB/RB to learning to master any instrument. I have been using the program for nearly twenty years and still only use and understand about 10%, but I've been able to create some award-winning music with it.
How much time did we devote to learning an instrument? When we have devoted equal time to BIAB we will reap its rewards.
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Hi Some good comments, Especially the ones saying that if you know what you want it for you can only learn those features and disregard the rest. Ive been using it 2 1/2 years and am not from a musical background but just wanted to put my poems to music without having to go to a professional producer for obvious reasons.So not easy to use yeah but what an education. Ok the going was hard at first because I was learning all sorts of things as well as BIAB at the same time but wow is it worth it.I have yet to hear anyone think that my stuff is anything but a band playing my songs.I wish sometimes things were a bit easier or I was a bit smarter but the outcome is super.Ive been listening to more of the songs on the forum lately and they are great. It is so unique and authentic and covers a whole lot of things that I dont use but others find important and useful. So what I like to do is very basic produce the melody in a midi file,pop it in Biab generate a backing track and keep messing around with it till I get the right instruments and style that I like or is right for the song and then save it and open it up in realband or export it to reaper and work from there.So if you are only doing that then it is a bit easier. Its been time consuming but very productive and hats off to all,H
I love your idea of tabbed windows, Jim. Other applications often have "rooms" or "screensets" or "workspaces" that do exactly as you described and make it much easier to accomplish what you're trying to do in a more efficient manner.
To draw an analogy, as an artist, if I'm working in pastels I don't want to have my oil painting brushes cluttering up my workspace. I want my pastels, papers, boards, and blending tools right at hand. Then, all those get put away when I start to paint in oils on canvas. Or maybe I dig out my watercolor paints and papers after putting everything else away. It's all there in my studio, but not everything is out at the same time.
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Unfortunately, for some reason the part makers that I use are not adding the fill in the previous bar. The style instead changes on the actual bar where the marker is set. A or B makes no difference and I have tried several different styles. Is the problem with Realdrums? This is the sort of problem that I face, and therefore get very frustrated as there is very little help provided by PG Music. I would have thought that there would be a much easier way to add a drum fill, and everytime I spend money on the latest version of Band in The Box I hope that its going to be simplified for the user rather than made more complicated for the few people that are experts
(1) If the drums are frozen, part markers will not have any effect. It's necessary to unfreeze the drum track and then regenerated.
(2) Once part markers have been added or changed, the track will need generating for the changes to implemented. With BIAB, no changes occur until after regeneration.
Lastly, if neither of the above help, post the name of the drums you have loaded and I'll test them out.
Sorry you are feeling discouraged. I'm no expert on BiAB but I don't find it any more complicated than my DAW which I'm no expert on either. I still make mistakes and run into things I don't know how to do in both.
In the ten years i've been using BIAB, I've found the friendly folks on the forum to be a huge help if something isn't working right when i'm stumped and can't figure something out. So I hope when you're feeling frustrated, you won't hesitate to take advantage of the help available here.
..........This is the sort of problem that I face, and therefore get very frustrated as there is very little help provided by PG Music.........
I have had to call the live tech support line just a few times to sort out a few things. I have always found them to be extremely helpful and willing to spend the time needed to be sure my issue was resolved.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
One point regarding ACW. If you already know the chords of the song, then yes it is much faster to input the chords and that's what you should do. If you don't know the chords of the song, it will help you figure out what they might be. And it's not perfect, but surely gets you closer than not having anything. I would never use ACW if I already know the chord progression, however. Success also depends upon the complexity of the underlying music source. and if the recording was detuned somewhere along the way, it has a more difficult time accurately figuring out the chords. But I've used it on a number of songs and gotten pretty close.
John
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