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I have been improvising on my piano Keyboard while using-midi cables to record my keyboard playing for years. 2 years ago I got a 2003 Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard. So I could play with drums and it's featured drum A+B fill-ins. Unfortunately the drums and piano keyboard notes ended up blended on the same midi track. I am using Fruity Loop Studio 12 with a USB Uno Midi Interface. The Fruity Loop Settings : Midi input /output device Set Song Marker = 9 Generator muting= 10 Toggle switch = on this will mask the drums, which will have to be added later. I have looked a long time for this solution, but found the solution on my own. I don't have a website to make a link of my screen shot so I put the screen shot image in my google drive in the link below: [img] https://drive.google.com/open?id=1HiY9EQN_9BSLJNGpX1OOrZo2sf-nkAoQ[/img]
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I am not familiar with any of your hardware or software so I may be way off base here. It sounds like you are recording on the same MIDI channel and track.
1-Set FL up to record one track with MIDI channel one and using your keyboard to play your part with the keyboard sending out data one MIDI channel one.
2-Set another/different FL track to record using MIDI channel 10 and your keyboard sending out drum data on MIDI channel 10.
In other words you must match your sending and receiving MIDI channels every time you record.
I hope this helps and good luck..
Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
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I am not familiar with any of your hardware or software so I may be way off base here. It sounds like you are recording on the same MIDI channel and track.
1-Set FL up to record one track with MIDI channel one and using your keyboard to play your part with the keyboard sending out data one MIDI channel one.
2-Set another/different FL track to record using MIDI channel 10 and your keyboard sending out drum data on MIDI channel 10.
In other words you must match your sending and receiving MIDI channels every time you record.
I hope this helps and good luck.. Hi MarioD I tried to look for a free or cheapest 16 midi track software recorder for my (Windows 7) computer. No Luck there. There was no vst (to find online) for my FL studio that would solve this record 16 midi channel problem. Some documentation I read said you can't record 16 midi channels on 16 midi tracks simultaneously.
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Hi.
If saving your midi file
Maybe you are saving your midi file as type 0 , that is all channels on one track.
If you save as midi type 1 you will get each channel on a separate track.
As a mater of interest BIAB puts all imported midi on the Melody track , with multi channels that is like type 0 .
In Realband you get the option to import to separate tracks like type 1. This is still true if you import a type 0 midi, it will offer to split it apart to separate tracks.
I don’t know but I suspect Fruity loops (FL Studio) will have this option as well.
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There is are no features on my piano keyboard to save a midi file. My piano keyboard only streams midi output / input manual psr 273-275
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Ok in that case you need to setup 16 midi tracks in fruity loops and set each track to its own channel.
Normally I would send midi track I to channel one, 2 to 2 and so on, less chance of getting lost that way.
Remember of course that in GM channel 10 will be reserved for Drums set sounds.
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Ok in that case you need to setup 16 midi tracks in fruity loops and set each track to its own channel.
Normally I would send midi track I to channel one, 2 to 2 and so on, less chance of getting lost that way.
Remember of course that in GM channel 10 will be reserved for Drums set sounds.
Mike
Thanks Mike I wish Could find some documentation to do that, or better a FLP file sample for FL studio 12
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Maybe this will help: https://www.musictech.net/tutorials/fl-studio-tutorial-midi-1/Also google/bing MIDI recording in FL will bring up other tutorials. Mike and I are saying the same thing in that you have to set up the MIDI channels in both your keyboard and FL. Note that depending on your audio/MIDI interface you can record 16 or more channels simultaneously, but you would need that many different MIDI inputs and players! Have you tried my original suggestion? That is how I record MIDI, usually one track at a time. If JonD or BobH are here I can record two different MIDI track simultaneously. OR if you can split your keyboard into different zones then you can record 2 or more MIDI tracks with different channels simultaneously. Here is how record MIDI when I'm alone. Track 1 MIDI channel one I may put down a bass line. Track 2 MIDI channel one I might put down a piano line, etc. Note that because I am using totally different tracks and sounds I can use MIDI channel 1 again as the tracks will not interfere with each other. As Mike indicated MIDI channel 10 is reserved for drums.
Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
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Thanks Mike and Mario, I'll check that out 
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I just checked the Yamaha manual and it does transmit 16 channels but I'll bet it's using Midi Type 0 meaning it imports initially onto one track in a sequencer. If you can't figure out how to make FL Studio separate the channels Real Band will. If you have any of the recent Biab packages you already have RB. When you import a Midi Type 0 file RB pops up a window asking if you want to split it out. Say yes. That's it.
I'm continually surprised that so many folks never even look at RB. It's a pretty good 48 track audio/midi recording program and is easy to learn. It also opens up Biab files directly and can generate Biab tracks using the same styles Biab does.
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OK.... So the problem is the old 2003 Yamaha keyboard. It does not have a root, or any features to separate the channels it is sending.
The drums also are not configured for Realband or Fruity Loops Studio which is a drag. Which means Yamaha didn't want their drums to follow regular midi/out mapping protocol
I am improvising playing the Yamaha keyboard while touching drum fill-ins on the fly. That changes quite drastically playing music improvisation.
The problem is not saving a midi file between Type 0 or Type 1
I have not found one video that shows even a more expensive keyboard playing improvisation while playing fill-in drum features that a computer can record the whole midi event!
For my old Yamaha PSR-273 I am proudly stuck with my original solution.
Thanks for all the replays.
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In the real early days of Yamaha keyboards and MIDI one had to remap the drums going to the Yamaha keyboard. Yamaha used channel 16 not channel 10 for drums.
I don’t know if this could be a part of your issue but what I’m reading I doubt it.
This is going back some time but it was an issue I used to have to deal with.
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This was copied from page 66 of the US edition of the Yamaha PSR-275/PSR-273 owner's manual: Each percussion voice uses one note.
The MIDI Note # and Note are actually one octave lower than keyboard Note # and Note. For example, in “109: Standard Kit 1”, the “Seq Click H” (Note# 36/Note C1) corresponds to (Note# 24/Note C0). Based on the quote, try transposing the drum channel by +12. If that doesn't work try transposing by -12. +++ HERE +++ is a link to download the Yamaha owner manual. Pages 66 and 67 lists the drum sounds and what notes to play for each drum set.
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This was copied from page 66 of the US edition of the Yamaha PSR-275/PSR-273 owner's manual: Each percussion voice uses one note.
The MIDI Note # and Note are actually one octave lower than keyboard Note # and Note. For example, in “109: Standard Kit 1”, the “Seq Click H” (Note# 36/Note C1) corresponds to (Note# 24/Note C0). Based on the quote, try transposing the drum channel by +12. If that doesn't work try transposing by -12. +++ HERE +++ is a link to download the Yamaha owner manual. Pages 66 and 67 lists the drum sounds and what notes to play for each drum set. Thank-you Jim Fogle Yes I went through manual,as well. And if I wanted my computer to send drum sounds or other instruments to the Yamaha keyboard, as if I was a live band of multiple players those 16 channels would be fine & dandy, and very helpful as a midi input to my Yamaha Keyboard from my computer. If I used my Yamaha keyboard for hand playing a drum kit for instance. It would send a midi output to the computer the velocity and notes to one channel. Fruity Loops studio was able mute the drum channel 10 I did look for midi channel monitor software to verify what was coming out of my Yamaha Keyboard... ------------------------------ MIDI-OX 7.0.2 (917K 17-JUN-10) Perhaps this will answer the question. Finally! ------------------------------ It is an old 2003 keyboard, perhaps not having the midi channels rooted towards a midi output for the computer; except channel 10 for the drums. Transposing the tone +12 or - 12 for drums would not help. Thanks for the suggestion Jim Fogle
Last edited by LPman; 05/22/19 03:54 PM. Reason: found a midi monitor just now
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OK... So I installed a midi monitor
on my computer to test my Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard.
All voices are on channel 1
Split keyboard feature channel 1+2
Dual features channel 1+2+3
Drum player channel 9+10
I went through all settings on the Yamaha keyboard ... No sending midi output changes
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Hi
Quote “OK.... So the problem is the old 2003 Yamaha keyboard. It does not have a root, or any features to separate the channels it is sending.”
This is quite normal the keyboard sends its midi in one single stream. It is up to the daw how it treats that data. You then need to set your daw / EG. Realband to 16 midi channels on 16 tracks as said before. Track 1 ch 1, track 2 ch 2 etc, each track will contain the mid data for the instrument voice (patch) sent on that channel.
Sorry I cant make it any clearer.
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Mike is spot on so I will repeat, try this while in your DAW:
MIDI track one - Enable record - choose a piano sound - play your keyboard in all voice mode, channel one, while recording in your DAW. Don't worry about timing or errors just record something. Disable record in this track.
MIDI track two - Enable record - choose a bass sound - play your keyboard in all voice mode, channel one, while recording in your DAW. Don't worry about timing or errors just record something. Disable record in this track.
Now in your DAW you should have two recorded MIDI tracks so when you play them back you should hear your piano and bass parts.
If this doesn't happen post the MIDI files so we can take a look at them.
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I found this in the PG-Forum
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13. How do I record multiple MIDI or Audio tracks simultaneously, or send different tracks to separate ports?
If you are recording MIDI, RealBand will not record on multiple tracks, but you can record to one track and then use the Edit | Extract Channels to Tracks command to split the track into multiple tracks. This works if there is multiple channel information in the MIDI Stream. Make sure you have each of the MIDI input ports you wish to use selected in the MIDI Driver Setup dialog
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So I was successful: with Realband
Track 1 set to Midi channel1
Track 9 set to Midi channel9
Track 10 set to Midi channel10
I recorded on track 10 turning on the drum machine on the Yamaha Keyboard, while playing piano notes. Both drums and piano playing was placed on one midi track...
I used the command: Extract channels to tracks...
I got my piano playing on a separate midi track; plus two new drum midi tracks that were set to channel's 9 & 10
I reset the given new track from track 9 which was set to channel 9; that I reset to channel 10.
(Note)
The Yamaha drum machine player sends drum data on both channel 9 & 10
So when I played back the recorded midi drum tracks most of the drum sounds were correct.
It was a good idea for me to download the midi monitor to see what channel's my Yamaha keyboard produced.
The Extract midi channels to separate tracks was the feature solution that was missing.
No ports needed adjusting
All is well now....
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I see you got this fixed.
Yep.... no need to comment other than to say, you learn something every time you run into a difficult problem like this.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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A common term for people learning and then finally understanding how midi works is midiot. Haha, I love that. We're all midiots...
This stuff WILL drive you crazy and I'm happy you got it going because I feel your pain. I think all of us do because it's certainly not obvious at all.
Going forward, if you like the idea of playing with an arranger keyboard consider moving up to a pro level one. I do mostly band gigging so I would rarely use an arranger on a gig but I've owned a Korg Pa1xPro for years and just picked up a used Pa3x. The current new one is the Pa4x Fantastic keyboard but too expensive for me. The newer Yamaha PSR S700 or 900 series is great and so is the newer Roland BK9. I'm cheap too so I never buy my toys new, everything is used and it takes patience to find a good deal but they always pop up.
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