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Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #546975 07/26/19 03:07 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 26,338 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	On just the topic of mMaj7 chords, I use this chord type all the time in Brazilian jazz. It has always worked correctly for many years. In the very early days of RealTracks, however, I would sometimes have a piano part simply drop out on this chord, but when I reported it, a patch was issued. About the other issues raised, I have some testing to do before commenting further. I am skeptical about some of what I’ve read. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab MarioD #546979 07/26/19 03:52 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,687 Redondo Beach, Ca.	Originally Posted By: MarioD This is very interesting. So what you are saying, at least in this case, is that the only way to get a CmMaj7 is via the chord builder. This could be a game changer for me. I will mess around with other chords as time permits, i.e. we still have family visiting from the west coast. Well that's what I thought I was saying but now I just created a new song and inputted a Cmmaj7 (just like this, I didn't even capitalize the second m) and it took it just fine. I swear in the first test song it wouldn't take it. Who knows, but it looks like Matt is right as usual. No problem inputting that chord. Bob Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Pipeline #546995 07/26/19 06:16 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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OP Dzjang Apprentice Joined: Nov 2016 Posts: 299 Europe	Pipeline You are in the know! If we would treat the “mother” chord for stylemaker as mixolydian, then you could easily define all chords that biab displays as some alteration of the mother chord. We would have to treat mixolydian as Herbie Hancock does in Maiden Voyage: all the scale notes are possible! (As Marl Levine points out in the Jazz Piano Book) The only things to watch out for are the (real) avoid notes: the third for sus chords and for phrygian, the b6 in minor chords, the unaltered 4th in major. Passing tones could be macro notes: if next note is a whole step up, then insert chromatic below... if next note is a half step above, then insert chromatic (or scale tone) above the next tone. What to do with “out” notes? I wouldn’t know. There’s only three scales (major, melodic minor, harmonic minor) and two symmetrical scales to consider. And in harmonic and melodic minor a few of the modes aren’t really used. I can’t see any chord in biab’s chord list not fitting the 21 possible scale chords (three most important scales) or the 2 symmetrical ones. As long as bass and piano/guitar stick to scale tones and passing tones, you should be good. If you really want a specific voicing, use midi. So, if on C7alt the bass plays b9 or #9, that’s not really important. It fits the scale of the moment. You could add the augmented scale, but I truly believe it’s not a scale that is used in composing, as much as it is an improvisational thing. Thx for the reply and your wonderful work on reaper plugin. Last edited by Dzjang; 07/26/19 06:31 PM. Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547003 07/26/19 06:58 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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OP Dzjang Apprentice Joined: Nov 2016 Posts: 299 Europe	The solution might lie just around the corner. The bass player is illiterate, plays b7 on mMaj7, a natural 9 on a b9 chord... The piano player is often right! As Jazzmammal suggested, there is something with the styles. If you pick any style, the bass part only knows 7 seventh chords! But, in some styles, the piano player is like Guitar George: he knows all the chords. So, where can we find the culprit? The riff option In some styles, where the piano player “nails” it, you could see that the “riff” option is checked. File>Stylemaker>Edit current Style In stylemaker: Style>Misc. Settings check the box that says “Riff” voicing type uses chord tones. The pop up text goes like this: Riff voicing is an option... To do a simple transpose (ignoring chord type) deselect this. (!?&#€”****). More important: guitar and piano MACRO NOTES If the guitar and piano are getting it right... check the style patterns. They were made using MACRO notes. These play the chords nicely and are not confined to seven 7th chords! Still... the bass player is not affected by this setting. Since most styles have simple bass lines (root and 5th) it goes unnoticed. But some nice walking bass lines reveal the tone deafness of the bass part. To the point of clashing regularly with the piano and guitar part! Last edited by Dzjang; 07/26/19 11:18 PM. Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547036 07/27/19 12:23 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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OP Dzjang Apprentice Joined: Nov 2016 Posts: 299 Europe	I got it figured out, now! Biab Styles know NO complex chords Not even mMaj7 or a b9 for Piano/Guitar most styles use MACRO NOTES MACRO NOTES know ALL the chords since Bass has NO MACRO NOTES, it uses the style parameter: u guessed it 7 seventh chords only! Not even mMaj7 or a b9 Last edited by Dzjang; 07/27/19 12:47 AM. Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547042 07/27/19 12:58 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,807 Wauconda	OK, I'll bite. What are Macro Notes? Final Tour - Not with a Bang but with a wimper!

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547044 07/27/19 01:49 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 26,338 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Just for fun, let me ask another question. DZjang, is your BIAB up to date? Within the last year there was an update to RealTracks that fixed a number of instances of the bass not playing slash roots. I don't know what else may have been changed, so I'm just checking if you are running the latest. I didn't see this mentioned. Thanks. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547045 07/27/19 02:58 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,687 Redondo Beach, Ca.	He's focused strictly on midi right now, not interested in the RT's. The Macro notes are a parameter inside the Stylemaker that Jan discovered controls the chords for the chording instruments but not the bass. Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab jazzmammal #547047 07/27/19 03:25 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 21,826 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: jazzmammal Originally Posted By: MarioD This is very interesting. So what you are saying, at least in this case, is that the only way to get a CmMaj7 is via the chord builder. This could be a game changer for me. I will mess around with other chords as time permits, i.e. we still have family visiting from the west coast. Well that's what I thought I was saying but now I just created a new song and inputted a Cmmaj7 (just like this, I didn't even capitalize the second m) and it took it just fine. I swear in the first test song it wouldn't take it. Who knows, but it looks like Matt is right as usual. No problem inputting that chord. Bob I just inputted CmMaj7 and Cmmaj7. When I typed Cmmaj7 is showed up on the chord sheet as CmMaj7! However in both cases the correct chord was played. I have used CmMaj7 many times with no problems. YMMV When I was young I was poor. But after years of hard, honest, and painstaking work I am no longer young. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547057 07/27/19 05:24 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 26,338 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	MIDI only? OK, thanks, Bob. Anyone who has odd things happen with chord data entry should first check if there are any user-defined entries in this file: /BB/Dada/pgshortc.txt BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547093 07/27/19 07:37 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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OP Dzjang Apprentice Joined: Nov 2016 Posts: 299 Europe	If anyone wants to know how bad the midi styles work. Here’s an easy one Make a new style Every note has to fit C7, says Pgmusic. Ok, let.s make bass notes root 5-b7-9 and reverse but starting on the root: so: root-(up)9-(downward from here)-b7-5 Make at least one 8 beats-pattern, one 4 beats, two beats, one beat is too short... Do the same with B-part Enter some piano,chords. Let’s say, rootless Bill Evans, old but not stale. Play 3-b7 in your left and 2-5 in your right hand and switch it up a little.you can click them on the staff or record them, keep it simple. Do the same for the 4 beat, 2 beat patterns, make at least one pattern here and Do the same for B Enter a strings arpeggio: mix the notes of “root-3-5-b7-9”. Make it musical, but stick to these notes. Save your style as r2357 or a name like that. Make a lead sheet with the following chords: Cmaj7 (2 bars, 1 bar, 1 bar) CmMaj7 (same, you can change it if you like to 1 bar, 2 bars, 1 bar) C13b9 (same) C7alt Listen closely to what biab presents to you. You will see that bass AND piano part play a bunch of downright wrong notes. It will make you rather sad, possibly angry. Now do the same lead sheet with dizzy style or a bebop walking bass style. You’ll see a different pattern. The bass player plays a lot of wrong notes, but the piano player does a great job. If you check the style maker you won’t see voicings but singlenotes: MACRO NOTES. I ve learned a lot by trying all of this. And I remain truly disappointed in biab, a software I have been using and buying and LOVING since the nineties. Though the realtracks are often sublime (though more than a little old fashioned, as if Kind Of Blue was the last jazz record...), I truly believe that midi is more flexible from the users’ standpoint. No manufacturer can supply you with all possible styles. But you can easily make your own or tweak them. Can’t do that with realtracks... moreover, you could get great styles from specialists like Bob Norton or exchange styles with other users. And, with all these great plugins in Kontakt, UVI and sampletank, I am convinced that there is going to be a MIDI revival. Especially for acoustic music, jazz, folk, country, blues. If you use Bob Norton’s styles on Microsoft Gm wavetable, you ask yourself: what’s the big deal. Hook them up to Kontakt or Sampletank and be ready to be blown away. Now they sound way better than a lot of stock styles. My MIDI revival claim sounds off? Make a leadsheet with slow moving chord changes. Use an acoustic guitar and drum plugin, a quality one... Select Oregon-styles. Press play. Be amazed. Not entertained yet? Lower the velocities of the oregon styles. Try again. Be amazed. Last edited by Dzjang; 07/27/19 08:10 AM. Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547115 07/27/19 10:12 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,344 Winston-Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,344 Winston-Salem, NC USA	Originally Posted By: Dzjang ... snip ... I truly believe that midi is more flexible from the users’ standpoint. No manufacturer can supply you with all possible styles. But you can easily make your own or tweak them. Can’t do that with realtracks... moreover, you could get great styles from specialists like Bob Norton or exchange styles with other users. And, with all these great plugins in Kontakt, UVI and sampletank, I am convinced that there is going to be a MIDI revival. Especially for acoustic music, jazz, folk, country, blues. If you use Bob Norton’s styles on Microsoft Gm wavetable, you ask yourself: what’s the big deal. Hook them up to Kontakt or Sampletank and be ready to be blown away. Now they sound way better than a lot of stock styles. My MIDI revival claim sounds off? Make a leadsheet with slow moving chord changes. Use an acoustic guitar and drum plugin, a quality one... Select Oregon-styles. Press play. Be amazed. Not entertained yet? Lower the velocities of the oregon styles. Try again. Be amazed. I agree 100 percent. PG Music had not paid much attention to midi lately however 35 new midi styles were released with +++ Xtra Styles PAK # 5 +++ in July, 2018. One of the strengths of Band-in-a-Box is it allows you to work with audio, midi and loops in addition to it's collection of styles, RealTracks and Super Midi Tracks. Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1113) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547173 07/28/19 02:09 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,807 Wauconda	A bit lost by the recent treads but I love the midi-love being expressed. To my understanding the ability to play chord extensions is related to the midi-style selected. Piano and guitar can play the many extensions accurately only if the style includes Chord Notes. However, this option is not available for bass or the other non-chordal instruments. Does that summarize the current findings? So Dzjang can you restate the wish? What exactly do you want BIAB to do? Final Tour - Not with a Bang but with a wimper!

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547174 07/28/19 02:39 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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OP Dzjang Apprentice Joined: Nov 2016 Posts: 299 Europe	Hey Musicstudent, for piano and guitar, you don’t input notes in the style maker, but Macro Notes. Each of these macro notes refer to a playing style: for guitar it’s fast or slow strumming, rootless voicings or other. This, of course limits the possibilities for the piano and guitar also. If you would like piano or guitar play only two notes, or an arpeggiated groove, that won’t work. To summarize Dear PGMusic Could you please update the stylemaker or the style-machine so that styles can play all the chords that Biab can input on the chord window? Best regards, Jan PS: open up the input on guitar, piano, strings et al... to include scale or chord based input. Limiting stylemakers to using macro notes is limiting. PPS: users go through great lengths to input correct chords or buy packs like the New Real Books by Norton... at this time the Bass part is wrong (if the style includes 9ths and 7ths, like on RnB or jazz styles) if your song contains chords with altered ninths, mMaj7. NRB’s 1-2-3 are filled with intricate chords and this helps you progress as a player. Please, make it sound right. Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547193 07/28/19 07:30 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,687 Redondo Beach, Ca.	Really nice detective work Jan. I knew this was related to the styles but I've never investigated exactly how that works. The Stylemaker has been available forever but I can name maybe 3 people who understand it and one of those is Bob Norton and another was Mac who hasn't posted here for 3-4 years. Otherwise nobody writes about it, it's probably the single most underused part of the program. Everybody simply uses the styles given to us and that's the end of it. If these changes to the Stylemaker can be done and then applied to existing styles then by all means it should be done. Sadly, there's only a few midi jazz styles anyway, it should not be that hard to do. Bob Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547201 07/28/19 11:10 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,807 Wauconda	Don't really understand all of this and don't really want to get into deep programming of BIAB. But I am impressed with the content in this thread and very interested in where it can go. So a big +1 from me. Final Tour - Not with a Bang but with a wimper!

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #547298 07/29/19 06:24 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,344 Winston-Salem, NC USA	All, This is the first in a series of threads about updating the midi Stylemaker. +++ This +++ is a link to the second thread. Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1113) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #557869 10/05/19 06:19 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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OP Dzjang Apprentice Joined: Nov 2016 Posts: 299 Europe	Since there has been some debate over the (in)ability of Biab to correctly play jazz chords in midi styles... I now want to add some proof of the absurd and disturbing mistakes (bugs?) biab makes. To avoid needless discussion: I disabled “natural arrangement” in Preferences/Arrangement I turned off “simple bass” in Overrides For each instrument I turned off natural arrangement and embellishment Please, if you want to debate harmony.... Check if you’re familiar with diminished harmony or every mode of melodic minor or you know the difference between phrygian and phrygian natural 13. If you’re not familiar with it, that’s cool, but this discussion is really intended for intermediate or advanced players who like to practice and improve their playing. No offense. Piano bugs https://www.dropbox.com/s/mrz7u3ceic3dgnn/PIANOPARTBRUBK.pdf?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/co371tn8w8f76uq/PIANOPARTBR300.pdf?dl=0 Bass bugs https://www.dropbox.com/s/3mia8zswdzmdo30/BRUBECKBALLADBASSPART.pdf?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1r7f68j8uiky7d/BASSPARTBRUSH300.pdf?dl=0 So, why do I care? Biab could be the best tool to learn to reharmonize tunes. As the midi style player works today, it is really bad for practicing and improving your playing. Biab has potential for learning and teaching. Say you want to substitute II-V with Vsus4b9 (jazz piano book)... for now, biab doesn’t have the harmonic sophistication and just plays wrong. This makes the student uneasy and is unhelpful. It makes you sound bad even if you are right. Alternatives? Yamaha arrangers are the closest to “perfect” for amateur jazz musicians or students, harmony-wise. Since it has no notation or chord player like in Biab and it is really geared towards left hand harmony input (one touch chords...), it is not as good. Imagine being a trumpet player and freeing your left hand to play all the changes... None of the other softwares really know sus4b9. At least, biab gets it right sometimes. Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com

Re: Jazz lovers! Support this: Biab reads chords, but can only play 7 chords, please educate biab Dzjang #557913 10/05/19 12:16 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,350 Melbourne, Australia	It's hard to argue with that evidence. It appears that improvements are required. +1 BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 18 requires the 2024 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

August 28, 2024

New! Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box version 2024 is here with 200 brand new styles to take for a spin!

Along with 50 new styles each for the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, we’ve put together a collection of styles using sounds from the SynthMaster plugin!

Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 18 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Expand your Band-in-a-Box 2024® library with Xtra Styles PAK 18! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 18 here.

Watch the Xtra Styles PAK 18 Overview & Styles Demos video.

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