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Played a St.Patty gig last night. I thought they would cancel, but they didn't.
As a self-employed musician, we of course had to show up.
We have a few outdoor gigs left this month, I hope they don't cancel, we'll be behind our gear so that'll be our social distance barrier.
Again, I think sooner or later we'll all be exposed.
I got this from a friend - can't verify it though:
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Coronavirus and the Sun: a Lesson from the 1918 Influenza Pandemic
Fresh air, sunlight and improvised face masks seemed to work a century ago; and they might help us now.
by Richard Hobday
When new, virulent diseases emerge, such SARS and Covid-19, the race begins to find new vaccines and treatments for those affected. As the current crisis unfolds, governments are enforcing quarantine and isolation, and public gatherings are being discouraged. Health officials took the same approach 100 years ago, when influenza was spreading around the world. The results were mixed. But records from the 1918 pandemic suggest one technique for dealing with influenza — little-known today — was effective. Some hard-won experience from the greatest pandemic in recorded history could help us in the weeks and months ahead.
Put simply, medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff. There is scientific support for this. Research shows that outdoor air is a natural disinfectant. Fresh air can kill the flu virus and other harmful germs. Equally, sunlight is germicidal and there is now evidence it can kill the flu virus.
`Open-Air’ Treatment in 1918
During the great pandemic, two of the worst places to be were military barracks and troop-ships. Overcrowding and bad ventilation put soldiers and sailors at high risk of catching influenza and the other infections that often followed it. As with the current Covid-19 outbreak, most of the victims of so-called `Spanish flu’ did not die from influenza: they died of pneumonia and other complications.
When the influenza pandemic reached the East coast of the United States in 1918, the city of Boston was particularly badly hit. So the State Guard set up an emergency hospital. They took in the worst cases among sailors on ships in Boston harbour. The hospital’s medical officer had noticed the most seriously ill sailors had been in badly-ventilated spaces. So he gave them as much fresh air as possible by putting them in tents. And in good weather they were taken out of their tents and put in the sun. At this time, it was common practice to put sick soldiers outdoors. Open-air therapy, as it was known, was widely used on casualties from the Western Front. And it became the treatment of choice for another common and often deadly respiratory infection of the time; tuberculosis. Patients were put outside in their beds to breathe fresh outdoor air. Or they were nursed in cross-ventilated wards with the windows open day and night. The open-air regimen remained popular until antibiotics replaced it in the 1950s.
Doctors who had first-hand experience of open-air therapy at the hospital in Boston were convinced the regimen was effective. It was adopted elsewhere. If one report is correct, it reduced deaths among hospital patients from 40 per cent to about 13 per cent. According to the Surgeon General of the Massachusetts State Guard:
`The efficacy of open air treatment has been absolutely proven, and one has only to try it to discover its value.’
Fresh Air is a Disinfectant
Patients treated outdoors were less likely to be exposed to the infectious germs that are often present in conventional hospital wards. They were breathing clean air in what must have been a largely sterile environment. We know this because, in the 1960s, Ministry of Defence scientists proved that fresh air is a natural disinfectant. Something in it, which they called the Open Air Factor, is far more harmful to airborne bacteria — and the influenza virus — than indoor air. They couldn’t identify exactly what the Open Air Factor is. But they found it was effective both at night and during the daytime.
Their research also revealed that the Open Air Factor’s disinfecting powers can be preserved in enclosures — if ventilation rates are kept high enough. Significantly, the rates they identified are the same ones that cross-ventilated hospital wards, with high ceilings and big windows, were designed for. But by the time the scientists made their discoveries, antibiotic therapy had replaced open-air treatment. Since then the germicidal effects of fresh air have not featured in infection control, or hospital design. Yet harmful bacteria have become increasingly resistant to antibiotics.
Sunlight and Influenza Infection
Putting infected patients out in the sun may have helped because it inactivates the influenza virus. It also kills bacteria that cause lung and other infections in hospitals. During the First World War, military surgeons routinely used sunlight to heal infected wounds. They knew it was a disinfectant. What they didn’t know is that one advantage of placing patients outside in the sun is they can synthesise vitamin D in their skin if sunlight is strong enough. This was not discovered until the 1920s. Low vitamin D levels are now linked to respiratory infections and may increase susceptibility to influenza. Also, our body’s biological rhythms appear to influence how we resist infections. New research suggests they can alter our inflammatory response to the flu virus. As with vitamin D, at the time of the 1918 pandemic, the important part played by sunlight in synchronizing these rhythms was not known.
What do you all think about that?
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Who knows? The info I posted about the Southern Hemisphere mentions high UV in the summer months can kill viruses. Some viruses. Personally, I don't think the fresh air part means anything but then what do I know?
What I know right now is it doesn't matter whether this thing turns out to be overblown media hype or a huge disaster. The Gov Coumo vid I posted is the reality of where we're at now because all he did is follow the same blueprint all other governments are following at this time. Trump just said the next 15 days will tell the tale so who cares about opinions, we're all in a holding pattern now.
Also, those in the stock market including me haven't lost a cent if you haven't sold anything. If you don't have to cash out because you need the funds, my only opinion is just hold and wait it out if your heart can take it. Maybe buy some gold.
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This is very sobering and is poking holes in some of my comments. I'm posting this because I'm more then willing to change my opinion and it could be helpful for others. I commend you for keeping an open mind, Bob. I’ve attended lectures by Dr. Osterholm and read a number of his research papers and he knows more about infectious disease than anyone I can think of. Plus he is a very effective communicator. Anyone who thinks we aren’t facing a public health crisis needs to listen to this podcast.
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Also, those in the stock market including me haven't lost a cent if you haven't sold anything. If you don't have to cash out because you need the funds, my only opinion is just hold and wait it out if your heart can take it.
The one good thing that came out of the last Federal budget is that the RMD age has been raised to 72, so I have 3 years for my equities to revive before I have to start drawing down.
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Michigan has done much like many other states.
Shut 'er down. Restaurants, bars, gyms, anywhere people congregate.
Of course MI included some unenforceable rules, like take out food places can only allow as many people inside as can manage to remain 6' apart .. sigh
Some people have no depth perception and others have no idea how to guess 6 ft .. and who is standing around measuring to enforce this?
In the end we all need to be responsible.
We've enacted a work from home policy starting tomorrow. I had to write it for my department today (yay me).
At least staff will be safer.
Unfortunately a few of us have to man the stuff they can't from home, and be ready to assist those that need help working from home along the way. (yay me again)
3 of us in a 2 story office should be able to keep '6 ft apart'.
We're doing our best to do the right thing. Whether the employees stay home after hours is anyone's guess but we did what we could, and because we are in the tech business we're trying to help other local businesses do this too.
Almost every support request we received today was for additional remote access for employees of other companies, so it appears others are doing much the same.
I read one study (yeah I know limited sample) where people with no symptoms (didn't know they had anything until tested and exhibiting no symptoms) were exhaling more 'load' (more live germs) than those with symptoms. My thought was it may be related to decreased breathing capacity in those with symptoms, but I found it interesting, since previous thought was the more symptomatic people were more contagious. I think it was an article on the Massachusetts outbreak for those interested.
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I will test the sunshine idea pretty soon. I wash my boat with clorox every time I use it. Florida sunshine and salt water will kill most anything including stainless steel....lol The boat must be the most virus free thing I own.
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“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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I watched the NBC Nightly News and the ABC Evening News on youtube last night it was pretty surreal. Even as old as I am I've got to say that I've never seen anything like this, especially on a global scale.
Even President Cheeto seems to have realized the gravity of what we're facing and has stopped denying what most of us at least suspected might be coming months ago. No doubt he's looking through the lens of how all of this affects his re-election chances but it's better than him calling the whole thing a hoax or a liberal plot against him.
Let's all hope the worst case scenario doesn't come to pass. Dr. Anthony Fauci is a breath of fresh air when it comes to being straight with the public, even though the truth hurts sometimes.
Here's a big old plus one for science over politics and spin, ... especially in a time of crisis.
Take care and be safe.
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Lost a couple of more gigs  Looking at the bright side, it means I have less exposure to possibly infected people. On the dim side, that's a lot of combined income as Leilani is out of work too. I play once a week at an outdoor restaurant, if they close this down, I'm completely unemployed except for 2 private parties in April that haven't been cancelled (yet). Back on the bright side, it gives me more time to work on style and fake disks for BiaB. I've got two new style disks done, and we just got three fake disks back from the subcontractors I use to choose the styles. So we are going through the fake disks song by song, playing them in real time, triple checking the chord changes, holds, hits, rests, etc., and making sure everything works as well as it can within the limitations of Band-in-a-Box. We send our the fake disks to subcontractors to choose the styles, telling them not to favor the Norton styles, but to choose the best style for the song. (If I picked the styles myself, I'd surely favor mine because I know them best.) Then we'll update the style picker data, make installation routines, web pages, and release the disks. This should help people who are in self-isolation, as if we are quarantined, we need toys. I live with my windows open (no A.C.) and here in Florida there is plenty of sunshine. I think I'll spend some time working in the yard. Good luck to all (we need it) Insights and incites by Notes
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here is a good resource for factual numbers: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.htmlSince discovering this site, I've been marking the numbers on my calendar to chart the daily change. To give you an idea of how the numbers are escalating globally... on Monday (yesterday as I write this) the total number of cases globally was 153,524. I'm assuming that was all cases since mid december when the problem was first identified in Wuhan. That's 153,524 cases in 3 months As of this moment, (one day later) the number of cases is 195,892. And the day isn't over yet. In one day the number grew by 27% of the total cases over 3 months. The graph of cases outside China looks like a hockey stick. (That moment when you feel bad for the senior citizens, then realize you are one!) edit: this site continually updates its totals. Since posting this a little while ago the new total has risen to 196,639... day still not over. The one-day increase is now 28% of the previous 3 month total
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The news is coming so fast from so many sources it's hard to keep up.
Here's an interesting one about grocery stores in the North Eastern part of the US. Several have implemented senior hours meaning the first hour or so of opening is reserved for seniors only. They get first crack at all the items that were just restocked that night. It's early, like 6 am but hey, I think that's a great idea and I can get my butt out of bed for that right now!
Let hope that gets implemented everywhere.
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I was in the store yesterday. The only thing in the frozen section was 2 bags of brussel sprouts.
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I killed one of my chickens yesterday. I hate killing my animals. I wonder what the kids would think if they had to be there.
The good part was the chicken and rice and biscuits . It tasted just like just like 1956.
We walked over to my neighbors house and talked from behind the glass and left some chicken on the door step. She is in her eighty. Her husband died a few months back and life is not very good. She has plenty of money but money won't buy you happiness.
There are no cases of the virus in the Florida Keys. I want to go fishing pretty soon.
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In the Retirement Village I live in I’m president of the lawn bowls club. Yesterday I had to make the decision to suspend formal lawn bowls for an undefined time. I have also had to point out to a number of elderly people that social interaction is probably not a good idea. Some of the elderly folk really struggle with some restrictions they are being asked to support.
The other issue is how long will all this last. Our Prime Minister said this is a long haul and expect six months at least.
This will give me a heap of time on my computer doing stuff.
I was to go to Europe at the end of June for a river cruise. Looks like that is shot, I just hope I can recover some of the monies I spent on it. Then I can buy another AmpleSound Guitar (the Martin looks to be coming).
Anyway enough from me.
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Well, they banned bands here because they "draw crowds" and all my gigs except one private party have been canceled from now to the beginning of June. I suspect that one last gig will be canceled as well. So I'm unemployed for the next few months. If the virus isn't contained by June, I'll be out of work even longer. Things could be worse, Leilani and I have no symptoms so are probably OK, and with no money we have no where to go  Being self-employed, we do have some reserve in savings, but not knowing how long this will last, we are tightening our belts. And we're hard at work making new style 'disks' and fake 'disks' for Band-in-a-Box. Notes
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Bob, here in San Jose several grocery stores have reserved 9:00 to 10:00 a.m. for seniors.
Something that I hadn’t considered was that seniors were fearing the thought of shopping
because of the large crowds.
I have been in self-quarantine recovering from surgery since Jan.7 and it looks like
I now have a much longer way to go. Music in general and BIAB in particular has been
a blessing in my recovery.
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Bob,
You just can't pass up a chance to get in your political shots, even if they come nowhere close to resembling the subject.
So once again a very sincere post from Lambada on a very serious subject turns into shots at the POTUS, wow.
Best of Luck to ya,
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Danny,
Criticizing a sitting president for their handling of a national emergency isn't necessarily political. It's simply freedom of speech.
My comments would have been the same regardless of who was POTUS if they had spent weeks or even months denying what is happening and ignoring advice from every health official.
Best of luck to you too.
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Hi All again. It looks like Hong Kong will go the same way in the end. We're getting hit now by a second wave (probably the first real one) of people returning to Hong Kong or escaping to Hong Kong where quarantine is still voluntary, although that could change today. I think a lot of people let their guard down here, thinking it was a China problem and that we were over the worst of it. I fear not. I see S Korea, who have done an amazing job of testing I think due to them having a pandemic test run a couple of weeks prior to the real outbreak, are now facing new clusters. Latest Chinese research is showing that people with Type A blood are more at risk and in Italy, the overwhelming majority of those who are dying are over 80 with pre-existing health issues. There's also research in the US saying that the young are at risk too. Certainly a lot of young people here catching it according to the stats. Everyone seems to agree that social distancing is the way to go, but its not easy, especially when you're at home all the time with extra time on your hands and we're talking weeks. I've lost track now, but I don't think they'll be school for months.
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I think everyone realizes that the response to the pandemic was badly botched at the Federal level but rubbing salt in the partisan wound isn’t necessary. The folks who argued that this was a hoax will be dining on crow for years to come.
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