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BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper #650430 04/06/21 06:09 PM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf M Mark Stonebanks OP Enthusiast
OP Mark Stonebanks Enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf	Hi folks, I've recently purchase a license for Reaper and really like the way BIAB 2021 seamlessly integrates. I find that I prefer the overall sound that I get in Reaper to the same file in RealBand. I am very new to Reaper but have noticed that, when I drag a soloist Real Track it doesn't work. I have found a work around whereby I save the soloist track to a *.wav file and add this in Reaper. I was just wondering if there was a better way to achieve this? Many thanks in advance

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650466 04/07/21 02:06 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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Chantelle - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: Oct 2020 Posts: 836	Hello Mark, you are likely using a MIDI instrument on the Soloist track. In Reaper, you need to load a DXi synth to the Reaper track for it to play any MIDI notes. For example, there are Coyote Wavetable Synth and Cakewalk TTS-1. These two DXi synths work well both in Band-in-a-Box and on Reaper tracks. Best, Chantelle

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650471 04/07/21 02:32 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf M Mark Stonebanks OP Enthusiast
OP Mark Stonebanks Enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf	Many thanks Chantelle All the best

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650474 04/07/21 03:03 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,009 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,009 Wauconda	Something doesn't sound right here. Or perhaps things are continuing to change on me. The BIAB-VST will automatically convert the midi data on each track to a .wav file when you generate. You than have an option to drag either the midi data or the .wav data into Reaper. The BIAB-VST gives you both. You just have to read the button to drag in order to get what you want. No need to install GM synths into Reaper. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Capture.JPG (85.38 KB, 110 downloads) BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650478 04/07/21 03:52 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf M Mark Stonebanks OP Enthusiast
OP Mark Stonebanks Enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf	Hi... The soloist that I'm using is #1241 Piano, Electric, Soloist SmoothJazzPoppy delay Ev16... WHich I believe is a real track? In reaper, it doesn't appear as a real track. Is it something to do with the fact that this track is frozen in BIAB? Thanks in advance

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650479 04/07/21 03:59 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,009 Wauconda	I don't believe that being frozen in BIAB would effect it once it is in the BIAB-VST. So you are saying you made the .mgx file in BIAB then saved it. Then Opened it with the BIAB-VST? Then find all the tracks work properly for dragging into Reaper, except the Soloist track? Let me check that specific workflow and this RT on the Soloist track. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650481 04/07/21 04:32 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf M Mark Stonebanks OP Enthusiast
OP Mark Stonebanks Enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf	Thank you very much for your assistance, MusicStudent... Pardon my ignorance... what is an .mgx file? the file is saved as *.sgu I'm off out now so I won't be able to respond for several hours, but I really appreciate you taking the time to help.

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650485 04/07/21 05:17 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,009 Wauconda	I did a quick check and confirmed the soloist RT is no different than the other tracks. Once made in BIAB and then opened in the VST they all were able to be dragged over into Reaper. Opps, but I forgot to use the #1241 Piano, Electric, Soloist SmoothJazzPoppy delay Ev16. Let me try this again with another file. OK, I did it all over again with the correct RT and no diff. All works fine here. No surprise. BTW, I have V3.4.5 of the BIAB VST Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Capture1.JPG (113.27 KB, 97 downloads) BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650513 04/07/21 07:58 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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Simon - PG Music Product Manager Joined: May 2020 Posts: 2,176 Victoria, BC	Mark, could you upload your SGU here so we can take a look? If you click on "Switch to Full Reply Screen" you'll see an option below the Post window for the File Manager. You can choose and add files to this forum thread from there. I work here

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Simon - PG Music #650585 04/07/21 04:38 PM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf M Mark Stonebanks OP Enthusiast
OP Mark Stonebanks Enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf	Hi Simon I will certainly do that... I am at work for the next 9 hours so it will be when I return home... I'm confused by MusicStudent's reference to the term ".mgx file" I can see no way to save my .sgu file as an .mgx file. Could that be the problem? Thanks for you help.

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650606 04/08/21 12:35 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,009 Wauconda	Sorry for confusion. This should clear it up. Compliments from Matt: There is a really good set of FAQ entries for PG Music products. Click on Support at the top of this page. Here's your answer, from the FAQ: http://www.pgmusic.com/techfaq28.htm#85 A lot of them are remnants from early versions. The two to know are .SGU and .MGU. When you enter only chords, it's .SGU. When you then add a melody, it gets saved as .MGU. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650621 04/08/21 02:55 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,009 Wauconda	That's not a RT! Yellow is midi! Also you have not generated any of the audio. And your tempo does not match the Reaper file. Are you new at this? BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper DrDan #650623 04/08/21 03:03 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf M Mark Stonebanks OP Enthusiast
OP Mark Stonebanks Enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf	Hi MusicStudent Yes.. very new. It's not a Realtrack in Reaper but it is in BIAB Please see the attached screenshot Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) 2021-04-08 (1).png (389.35 KB, 72 downloads)

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650624 04/08/21 03:10 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,009 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: Mark Stonebanks Hi MusicStudent Yes.. very new. It's not a Realtrack in Reaper but it is in BIAB Please see the attached screenshot Wow, that is weird. So here is what I get in Reaper. Looks like your piano is only playing for a portion of the song. Let me take a look at this file in BIAB to see what is going on. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Capture1.JPG (104.17 KB, 69 downloads) BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650629 04/08/21 03:29 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,009 Wauconda	This one stumps me. I confirm the RT in BIAB. I see it is also just a very short section of Audio in the middle of the song and it is frozen. I see no bar markers to limit where it plays. So did you edit the audio in BIAB? Otherwise, I am glad we have Simon on the tread. He gets paid to look at these oddities. Let see what he thinks. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Capture2.JPG (116.46 KB, 64 downloads) BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper DrDan #650630 04/08/21 03:45 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf M Mark Stonebanks OP Enthusiast
OP Mark Stonebanks Enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf	In the meantime... Thanks very much for taking the time to help.

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper DrDan #650676 04/08/21 09:14 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,009 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: MusicStudent I see no bar markers to limit where it plays. So did you edit the audio in BIAB? I have an idea to pursue, but I need to know if the short segment that the Soloist Piano played was by your design or just another part of the problem. Did you do something to make the soloist play only a short section in the middle of the song? e.g., did you use the actual Soloist Feature and intentionally tell the soloist to play only a few bars?? BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper DrDan #650716 04/08/21 03:46 PM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf M Mark Stonebanks OP Enthusiast
OP Mark Stonebanks Enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf	THe soloist is automatically generated but I have play only the second chorus

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650740 04/08/21 04:53 PM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf M Mark Stonebanks OP Enthusiast
OP Mark Stonebanks Enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf	OK... Tried again... there's an icon on the right of the BIAB window (WAV) I dragged that into Reaper and... it works! Not sure if that is how its supposed to happen... Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) 2021-04-09.png (203.24 KB, 39 downloads)

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650782 04/09/21 06:17 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,009 Wauconda	Glad you found the .wav file button. I am calling this a bug and have passed it on to the developers. I am able to reproduce this strange behavior in seven steps. 1) Create a new song in BIAB 2) Use the Soloist Feature to add a RT (it will appear on the soloist track) 3) Generate and play all tracks. 4) Freeze the Soloist track 5) Save the file. 6) open the file in BIAB-VST 7) You will see that the Soloist track is now Midi. The rendered Audio for this track is from the midi. The RT on the soloist is gone. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper DrDan #650784 04/09/21 06:34 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf M Mark Stonebanks OP Enthusiast
OP Mark Stonebanks Enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 74 Manama, Bahrain, Arabian Gulf	Many thanks MusicStudent Really appreciate your advice and assistance For the time being I will continue to render the soloist in BIAB

Re: BIAB Soloist Tracks in Reaper Mark Stonebanks #650925 04/10/21 06:49 AM Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,009 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: PeterGannon The plugin doesn’t load frozen tracks. Wow, I did not know that. Thanks for clarifying. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

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