Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Off-Topic
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,326
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,326
Just learn and remember the fractions

3.2mm = 1/8th inch (approx)

6.4mm = 1/4 inch (approx)

12.7mm = 1/2 inch

25.4mm = 1 inch (exactly)

That's how I do it. But I also know both systems intimately so rarely need to think about "how much would that be..."


BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Off-Topic
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 21,812
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 21,812
I use the Edison technique. I keep trying wrenches, sockets, allen keys, etc until I find one that fits.


When I was young I was poor. But after years of hard, honest, and painstaking work I am no longer young.

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
MarioD #654514 05/05/21 03:06 AM
Off-Topic
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,732
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,732
Originally Posted By: MarioD
Amazon just got approved for drone deliveries. We now have skeet shooting with prizes!

LOL! Love that signature.....




Steve

BIAB/RB 2022, Pro Tools 2020, Korg N5, JBL LSR 4328 Powered Monitors, AKG/Shure Mics.
PC: Win11 PRO, 4 TB M2 SSD, 2 TB HD, 128 GB Memory
Off-Topic
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,537
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,537
Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
Just learn and remember the fractions

3.2mm = 1/8th inch (approx)

6.4mm = 1/4 inch (approx)

12.7mm = 1/2 inch

25.4mm = 1 inch (exactly)

That's how I do it. But I also know both systems intimately so rarely need to think about "how much would that be..."


Yes, I under the concept. I find fractions pretty useless to begin with unless we are talking about very approximant measurements. A half a pie, half crazy. They have more relevance in machining, 1/2 inch but I prefer .500

The speed signs here are in MPH. The speedometer is designed to be read in MPH and yes there are some small numbers in kilometers.

I can think in miles, nautical miles, and kilometers. I have my GPS in my car set to display in kilometers because 700 meters is easier to understand than .435 miles or 87/200 and of course that would be displayed as 1/2 miles but in fact the GPS would never display that distance of 700 meters in miles to begin with.

I know visually what 13MM looks like, more or less the same as 1/2 inch. I know what 300 meters looks like, about from my house to the end of the street.

Part of my frustration is most likely related to constantly having to speak and listen in both English and Spanish and really never knowing when I must use one or the other.

I program my GPS to speak to me in French just to keep the language in my head and because I get tired of both English and Spanish...lol

I also am pretty conversant in both systems. Where it becomes problematic is when precision is needed. That requires precise conversion.

I cook in conventional USA terms...1/2 cup, two teaspoons ect. How much less trouble to have learned that in grams and milliliters.

I will vote for the metric system every time.

Billy


New location, new environment, new music coming soon

Seize the moo-ment
If you feel like you’ve herd all these cow puns before, you probably have deja-moo
Off-Topic
E
eddie1261
Unregistered
eddie1261
Unregistered
E
I remember when MLB first added 2 Canadian teams and the distance down the foul lines was metric. Toronto had 99.97 metres written on the wall in left and right. I wrote to MLB and asked them why, if Toronto said 99.97 metres that teams in the USA did not say 330 feet 7 inches. Why not round off?

Though it's still a travesty that pitchers don't bat in the American League but they do in the National League...

Off-Topic
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,217
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,217
I would prefer that the USA gets off the Imperial system and goes completely metric.

Both systems have their pros and cons, but the majority of the rest of the world is metric, so it would be much easier if we joined the world community.

And Pianobilly, I agree that decimals are better than fractions for making calculations. Two of the only common things better expressed as a fraction are 1/3 and 2/3 :-)

Notes


Bob "Notes" Norton smile Norton Music
https://www.nortonmusic.com

100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
& Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks
Off-Topic
E
eddie1261
Unregistered
eddie1261
Unregistered
E
Originally Posted By: Notes Norton
Two of the only common things better expressed as a fraction are 1/3 and 2/3 :-)
Notes


And 3/4, 4/4, and 6/8....

Off-Topic
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 21,818
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 21,818
FWIW, those still need to use the tempo map to be correct.
But I did get the reference (music) so I smiled.
Go ahead and do the below tempo map in fractions <grin>


Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
tempoMadness.jpg (126.92 KB, 98 downloads)

I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
Off-Topic
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,444
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,444
As Trev said earlier, we went metric in the 1970s, but we still use a lot of "descriptive" terminology, such as "He's very tall, well over six feet"
Or "the surf was big today ... well over 10 foot waves."
There's two funny things I remember at the start of the introduction to the metric system.
The first was a politician trying to "sell" the metric system, who said "It may be difficult at first, but stick with it. If you try to forget the imperial system, and think metric, inch by inch we'll get there."

And another person said "This is too hard ..... they should have waited until all of the old people died before introducing it." smile


Cheers,
Keith
Off-Topic
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,326
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,326
Originally Posted By: Keith from Oz
...There's two funny things I remember at the start of the introduction to the metric system.
The first was a politician trying to "sell" the metric system, who said "It may be difficult at first, but stick with it. If you try to forget the imperial system, and think metric, inch by inch we'll get there."

grin grin grin


BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Off-Topic
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,097
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,097
In the worthless trivia category, the reason for 12 in the Imperial system is to avoid having to deal with fractions.

That is, 12 can be evenly divided by 2, 3, 4 and 6. When you're building stuff, you don't want rounding errors to cause problems, so dealing with integers is just simpler.

Same logic with a 12 hour clock, and 360 degrees. Only with degrees, you basically get to divide by 5 without a fractional result as well.

I'm all for avoiding fractions. laugh


-- David Cuny
My virtual singer development blog

Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?
dcuny #654719 05/07/21 12:52 AM
Off-Topic
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,326
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,326
Good points.

Vulgar Fractions and Decimal Fractions never worry me. I can us them all. Yep. I can use feet and inches too, no question.

But since moving to a decimal system here a long time ago, the terms:
- 12 pounds and 6 and a half ounces,
- Nine and three quarter U.S. gallons,
- Seventeen feet, five and three sixteenths of an inch measurements
are,
well,
well,
so unnecessarily complicated - when there is already a much easier method that has been around for such a long time.

And yes, I also already know that that 1 mile = 5,280 feet or 1,760 yards

But, using metric, I don't have to remember that 16 ounces = 1 pound. 14 pounds = 1 stone or that 2000lb = 1 'short' ton.

I only have to know that
- 1000mm = 1 metre,
- 1000 metres = 1km.
- 1000 grams = 1 kgm.
- 1000 kgm = 1 metric tonne.

Just so, so much easier.
cry


BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Off-Topic
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,537
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,537
14 pounds = one stone...lol At least I don't have to deal with that one...lol

We do have equally arcane measurement systems.

Horses are measured in hands because they didn't have standard measuring tools in ancient societies, so they commonly used hands to measure horses; this tradition continues to the present. One hand is considered 4 inches, so a 15 hand horse is 60 inches tall.

And while we are talking about not having the proper tools. I would like for Ben Franklin to just disappear into the dust of history. Electrons flow from negative to positive not the other way around like all schematics show. Call conventional flow! I call conventional BS!!!

Billy


New location, new environment, new music coming soon

Seize the moo-ment
If you feel like you’ve herd all these cow puns before, you probably have deja-moo
Off-Topic
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,326
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,326
Originally Posted By: Planobilly
... Electrons flow from negative to positive not the other way around like all schematics show.

Well, yes, but I think we need to cut them some slack. After all, they were inventing the future. Fine tuning it took a little longer wink .


BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Off-Topic
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,330
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,330
Engineers and technicians are trained different theories regarding the flow of electricity. One theory addresses electron movement while the other theory looks at electron hole movement. When an electron moves left to right then the electron hole moves right to left.

It's just as confusing as trying to determine who won the calculator war, Hewlett Packard (HP) with their Reverse Polish Notation (RPN) or Texas Instruments (TI) with their Standard Algebraic Notation (SAN). Engineers typically were trained to use RPN while technicians SAN. We may strive to be a classless society but mankind always finds a way to classify people.


Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1113) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK
DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8
Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD
Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD
Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home
Off-Topic
E
eddie1261
Unregistered
eddie1261
Unregistered
E
Originally Posted By: Planobilly
14 pounds = one stone.


And how heavy does a person have to get before they move from "stone" to "rock"? And then "boulder"?

Off-Topic
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 21,812
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 21,812
Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
...................

It's just as confusing as trying to determine who won the calculator war, Hewlett Packard (HP) with their Reverse Polish Notation (RPN) or Texas Instruments (TI) with their Standard Algebraic Notation (SAN). Engineers typically were trained to use RPN while technicians SAN. We may strive to be a classless society but mankind always finds a way to classify people.


But you have to admit that both RPN and TI beat using a slide rule! You young guns can look up slide rule wink


When I was young I was poor. But after years of hard, honest, and painstaking work I am no longer young.

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
MarioD #654751 05/07/21 05:12 AM
Off-Topic
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,334
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,334
Originally Posted By: MarioD
...slide rule ... wink
I still have mine. Don't use it much, though.


BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
Off-Topic
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,537
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,537
Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
Engineers and technicians are trained different theories regarding the flow of electricity. One theory addresses electron movement while the other theory looks at electron hole movement. When an electron moves left to right then the electron hole moves right to left.

It's just as confusing as trying to determine who won the calculator war, Hewlett Packard (HP) with their Reverse Polish Notation (RPN) or Texas Instruments (TI) with their Standard Algebraic Notation (SAN). Engineers typically were trained to use RPN while technicians SAN. We may strive to be a classless society but mankind always finds a way to classify people.


I have both calculators. I use the HP for mortgage and interest calculations and the TI for engineering calculations. Actually nowadays there are so many calculators on the internet I use them as much as anything. We also have programs designed for highly specific calculations such as structural engineering.

There are all sorts of terms of measurement that are slowly going away. Feet, yards, fathoms, leagues are rapidly being replaced by meters.

An even with the best of systems many measurements are difficult at best to conceptualize. How small is a nanometer? How far is a parsec? You can not see a nanometer because it is smaller that a wave length of light.

One parsec is defined as the distance at which an arc of length one astronomical unit subtends an angle of one second of an arc .

1 parsec = 3.08 x 1016m. Say what??? OK if you say so...lol

Billy


New location, new environment, new music coming soon

Seize the moo-ment
If you feel like you’ve herd all these cow puns before, you probably have deja-moo
Off-Topic
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 266
Apprentice
Offline
Apprentice
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 266
A couple of stories about Metric/Imperial confusion.

1. I saw this on a TV programme about 20 years ago.

In the 1800s an American millionaire acquired architects plans for a French style chateau and commissioned American contractors to build it on land he had bought in the US. Unfortunately the contractors thought the measurements were inches but were actually centimetres. The resulting chateau was 2.5 times bigger than intended.

2. I came across this one while reading a biography of the actor David Niven.

He had a residence in the south of France and employed a local firm to construct a swimming pool in the grounds. His hand written instructions were in feet which they thought were metres, so the pool was about 40+ feet at the deep end.

Vintage

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Band-in-a-Box 2024 Italian for Mac is Here!

Ci siamo dati da fare e abbiamo aggiunto oltre 50 nuove funzionalità e una straordinaria raccolta di nuovi contenuti, tra cui 222 RealTracks, nuovi RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 3, Playable RealDrums Set 2, due nuovi set di "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 e altro ancora!

Tutti Pacchetti | Nuove Caratteristiche

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 German for Mac is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 für Mac Deutsch ist verfügbar!

Wir waren fleißig und haben über 50 neue Funktionen und eine erstaunliche Sammlung neuer Inhalte hinzugefügt, darunter 222 RealTracks, neue RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, abspielbare RealTracks Set 3, abspielbare RealDrums Set 2, zwei neue Sets von "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK & 7, Xtra Styles PAK 17 & 18, und mehr!

Paket | Was ist Neu

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 French for Mac® is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 apporte plus de 50 fonctions nouvelles ainsi qu'une importante de contenus nouveaux à savoir : 222 RealTracks, des RealStyles nouveaux, des SuperTracks MIDI, des Etudes d'Instruments, des Prestations d'Artistes, des "Morceaux avec Choeurs", un Set 3 de Tracks Jouables, un Set 2 de RealDrums Jouables, deux nouveaux Sets de "RealDrums Stems", des Styles XPro PAK 6 & 7, des Xtra Styles PAK 17 & 18, et bien plus encore!

New! XPro Styles PAK 7 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Mac!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 7 with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 50 RealTracks and RealDrums that are sure to delight!

With XPro Styles PAK 7 you can expect 25 rock & pop, 25 jazz, and 25 country styles, as well as 25 of this year's wildcard genre: Celtic!

Here's a small sampling of what XPro Styles PAK 7 has to offer: energetic rock jigs, New Orleans funk, lilting jazz waltzes, fast Celtic punk, uptempo train beats, gritty grunge, intense jazz rock, groovy EDM, soulful R&B, soft singer-songwriter pop, country blues rock, and many more!

Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 7 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box 2024® with XPro Styles PAK 7! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Watch the XPro Styles PAK 7 Overview & Styles Demos video.

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2024 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

New! Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Mac!

Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box version 2024 is here with 200 brand new styles to take for a spin!

Along with 50 new styles each for the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, we’ve put together a collection of styles using sounds from the SynthMaster plugin!

In this PAK you'll find: dubby reggae grooves, rootsy Americana, LA jazz pop, driving pop rock, mellow electronica, modern jazz fusion, spacey country ballads, Motown shuffles, energetic EDM, and plenty of synth heavy grooves! Xtra Style PAK 18 features these styles and many, many more!

Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 18 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Expand your Band-in-a-Box 2024® library with Xtra Styles PAK 18! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 18 here.

Watch the Xtra Styles PAK 18 Overview & Styles Demos video.

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 18 requires the 2024 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

New! Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box version 2024 is here with 200 brand new styles to take for a spin!

Along with 50 new styles each for the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, we’ve put together a collection of styles using sounds from the SynthMaster plugin!

In this PAK you'll find: dubby reggae grooves, rootsy Americana, LA jazz pop, driving pop rock, mellow electronica, modern jazz fusion, spacey country ballads, Motown shuffles, energetic EDM, and plenty of synth heavy grooves! Xtra Style PAK 18 features these styles and many, many more!

Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 18 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Expand your Band-in-a-Box 2024® library with Xtra Styles PAK 18! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 18 here.

Watch the Xtra Styles PAK 18 Overview & Styles Demos video.

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 18 requires the 2024 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

New! XPro Styles PAK 7 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Windows!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 7 with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 50 RealTracks and RealDrums that are sure to delight!

With XPro Styles PAK 7 you can expect 25 rock & pop, 25 jazz, and 25 country styles, as well as 25 of this year's wildcard genre: Celtic!

Here's a small sampling of what XPro Styles PAK 7 has to offer: energetic rock jigs, New Orleans funk, lilting jazz waltzes, fast Celtic punk, uptempo train beats, gritty grunge, intense jazz rock, groovy EDM, soulful R&B, soft singer-songwriter pop, country blues rock, and many more!

Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 7 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box 2024® with XPro Styles PAK 7! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Watch the XPro Styles PAK 7 Overview & Styles Demos video.

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2024 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Forum Statistics
Forums65
Topics83,117
Posts753,880
Members39,003
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
Newest Members
Kupina, SaxmanLou, jonxie, Sabrina Maria, Jazzfirst
39,003 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 163
DC Ron 107
rsdean 85
dcuny 78
rayc 68
vicarn 66
Today's Birthdays
dRoNe13, openhagen, WKjun
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5