|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 4
Newbie
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 4 |
While I understand that PGMUSIC has chosen 44100 as the default sample rate, there are other products that have different defaults, eg. JamKazam insists on 48000
So when you have multiple WINDOWS open with different products at different sample rates, each one has to be changed in ASIO every time you use it. That is annoying or worse, it means that sometimes there is a clash.
For example if I am trying to play BIAB while JamKazam is open, it sounds out of tune due to the variance in sample rate.
If BIAB and REALBAND have the option to choose the sample rate, then I can overcome this problem, which will become an increasing issue as different products prefer different sample rates.
thanks
Phil
Philosofree
Toronto
CANADA
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,624
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,624 |
Also, I have discovered that onboard sound cards on laptops for a number of vendors now seem to be locked into only 48,000. While, serious work will be done using an external USB sound module, when you're working remotely or away from your desk, you're stuck with whatever the computer has.
I recently bought a new HP Omen laptop, which I love, but the onboard soundcard lets you choose either 48,000 or, well, nothing else.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2024/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,368
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,368 |
Yes, an option would avoid this problem.
+1
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,061
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,061 |
ALL. i'm sorry, but i'm a dissenting voice on 48k. 44.1/16 has been a standard for years for audio work. jford just go into your win sound devices >> advanced tab and youll see various sampling rate/bit depth selections available via drop down clik, easy peasy. includeing 24 bit etc etc. you can change from 48k to 44.1/16 there in the dialog. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/solved-how-to-change-the-sound-output-rate-to/5a6fa5b9-cda6-4def-8dfe-36c291c4f4f8NOTE second post down by richard eiler ! notice the sample rate selection if you page down to the second dialog at above link. you should see a load of options. on any laptop ive seen running win, you can set to 44.1 16 bit. i would be v surprised if the omen was any different on win 10. also check this hp link https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Audio/Set-Audio-Sample-Rate-on-Realtek-Audio/td-p/7209271notice the advanced tab selection ? also lots of info on you tube jford. you might need a driver update also. lots of info on hp site if you search re gthis problem. best old muso.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 04/23/21 10:29 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,368
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,368 |
You'll have to take my word that Jford knows about sample rates. I, too, have encountered equipment with a fixed sample rate of 48K. And if you are doing anything with video software, that will want to run at 48K. I think the original poster has a point and it would be helpful if BIAB could support a choice of sample rates.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 21,863
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 21,863 |
Have you ever noticed there are no lines to a bathroom at a water park?
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,061
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,061 |
Matt.
i'm well aware of 48k with respect.
the problem (and i would like a buck every time ive seen it on friends win pc's) is incorrect sound device settings/set ups often.
please delve on you tube matt and on pc manufacturers sites like hp etc , and do google searches on difficulty setting 44.1/16 on some systems, and youll find many reasons. hp's own site has threads on this topic/solutions.
either a win update reset something (just one reason why i keep my recording daw off the net ) OR the on board sound driver needs updateing OR the user doesnt know bout the advanced tab in sound device properties and how to set it.
ive never had a pc i couldnt set to 44.1/16 matt.
matt, one reason i buy refurbs vs buying new is my refurb guys set the darn pc up RIGHT in the first place. includeing sound devices.
whereas often with new pc's one buys, one has to often update drivers. there is also bloat on new systems. another reason i stick with non bloated refurbs.
recently a very close friend didnt listen to me bout refurbs , and bought a new pc and had various teething problems. and now says to me repeatedly "next time i'll listen and buy refurb".
in summary there can often be a period of teething problems //set up issues with new systems. ive seen it many many times.
and YES i still believe the on board sound on the omen can be set to 44.1/16. i suspect a setting or a driver update is the issue.
if its the omen i'm thinking of , properly set up with that nice processor,, it should perform great.
would suggest jford take omen into a qualified pc tech and get it set up correctly. fyi matt a guy near me makes a small fortune yearly setting up pc's for people that bought them new boxed elsewhere, only to find teething problems etc.
frankly , if were me ; for being away from home i would buy one of those el cheapo behr um usb interfaces i could stuff in a pocket.
the other issue for me with 48k is, will it grow like topsy; and will users then demand other various higher sampling rates later like 192 or or or.
one sees it all the time on gearslutz matt.
oh lets do it all at 96 or 192. and then the pc cant handle it of course , cos its a junk processor.
(which was why , going back to a previous post of mine,
it would be nice if biab had an advanced warning system,
warning of overload.)
respect.
oldmuso
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,624
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,624 |
jford just go into your win sound devices >> advanced tab and youll see various sampling rate/bit depth selections available via drop down clik, easy peasy.
includeing 24 bit etc etc. you can change from 48k to 44.1/16 there in the dialog. Muso, nope. Doesn't work. 48k is it. I've already researched it and a lot of laptop onboard cards are now locked at 48K. I can choose between 16 and 24 bit, but not the sampling rate. Not so easy peasey. Some folks have been able to track down some esoteric drivers to make the change, but by and large, they are difficult to find and are sometimes device specific (a few Lenovo folks were able to get it to work, but only on Lenovo machines). I've tried a few for my HP that were supposed to work, but they didn't. Lots of folks out there are asking for the same thing, because some of their music software won't work. It's a thing.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2024/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 91
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 91 |
philosofree has the problem that if the other people on JamKazam are using 48000hz he has to also, otherwise he cant join in - besides it is their preferred rate. Other people may prefer higher rates - the should have the choice - I dont live in norties.
Keith
Last edited by Keith44; 04/23/21 03:52 PM. Reason: Adding
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,061
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,061 |
jFORD. re fixed at 48k. that is CRAZY. interesting to note, i'm hearing bout more and more probs//teething issues from people//friends buying new systems these days. that omen is not cheap. for a little more money you could probably have purchased a lovely turnkey laptop specifically built for recording studio use which would give you high trak and plug in counts to boot. as utilised by lots of big recording studios. heres a builder i note some reaper users use with good testimonials. https://studiocat.com/opencart2/and there are many others. eg silentpc and scan audio uk. just ask on pro recording forums like gearslutz(now gearspace.com) and recording.org etc for references. if were me i would return omen and get a turnkey recording studio laptop if you have a decent budget. the issue i have with adding more sampling rates to biab is from a computer programmers perspective. imho there are bb features wanted by bb users for years that still remain unfulfilled includeing my own eg pipelines bars view for bb i really wish i had. thus adding xtra sampling rates has code impacts obviously to the bb code base and of course the new bb plug in has to have anything new added also. if you must keep omen , then only solution it seems is to get an external cheap usb interface. the issue is highly weird. sigh. best to you oldmuso.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 04/24/21 12:11 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,368
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,368 |
Thanks for all that urging about what I should know and do, oldmuso. I assure you I will give it all the consideration it deserves. The good news here is that PG Music decides what requests are useful, and the priority to implement them.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,061
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,061 |
Matt.
i'm fully respectfull of your talents, background in music, and the fact you help so many people on here.
i'm just concerned , like some other pg users, that there are long outstanding bb feature issues that are yet to be addressed.
anyways , to put things in perspective, i'm just so happy to be around to do my silly songs.
when i was haveing a difficult surgery my dear wife bought me my upgrade to 2020 bb/rb at the time. it lifted my spirits immensely at a difficult time.
i wish you every happiness.
best
oldmuso
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,368
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,368 |
BIAB would be a perfect way to speed recovery of spirits after major surgery. Congratulations to your wife.
You may not realize that the current forum software began in the summer of 2000 and restarted the post counts. A few of us were here several years before that. I think if you were to read all my posts, you would see I understand and support fixing those longstanding requests. I helped identify some of them and am still lobbying to fix them. Last week, I suggested to the developers it was time to suspend all new features except RealTracks and do a complete rewrite of the code. I’ve been requesting to fix the core functionality for decades.
In addition to music, I have a few computer skills as well, from teaching college computer science for thirty years and from building every one of my computers since 1983. I’m also one of a few people in the world who sold computers to IBM.
Cheers.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 2,099
Product Manager
|
|
Product Manager
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 2,099 |
Part of this issue is related to driver type - ASIO, WAS, or MME.
WAS and MME can both operate in non-exclusive mode, and BB typically uses a resampler for any audio sent to it that doesn't match the driver. So the driver can be set to 48khz, 192khz, whatever, and BIAB can operate in 44,100 if it wants to. This typically works fine on any hardware that's set to at least 44,100hz, and I've personally tested that up to 192khz.
ASIO requires the hardware to synchronize to the software, and generally allows only one application to talk to the audio interface at a time. Most ASIO drivers work this way, with very few exceptions - for example the Focusrite driver currently allows multiple clients, though all clients must be set to the same sample rate. Currently BIAB requests a sample rate of 44.1khz when using ASIO and doesn't use a resampler - I'll ask the dev team to see if it's possible for BB to request a higher sample rate or use the resampler or something. This could potentially add latency, as the resampling process takes CPU time.
ASIO is a fairly old driver type - it was introduced in the 90's (1996 iirc). WAS was introduced with Windows Vista in 2007. If you're using multiple programs at the same time, you're much better off using WAS/WASAPI or MME (technically MME ports through WASAPI anyway).
*edit*
RealBand can already operate at 48k and 96k using ASIO, and you can select the sample rate from Options > Preferences > Audio > Audio File Type.
Last edited by Simon - PG Music; 05/12/21 12:39 PM.
I work here
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Dec 2021
Posts: 6
Newbie
|
|
Newbie
Joined: Dec 2021
Posts: 6 |
ALL.
i'm sorry, but i'm a dissenting voice on 48k.
44.1/16 has been a standard for years for audio work.
Sorry but that's completely untrue. S/PDIF is always at 48k. Biab should support 48k without playing out of tune.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Generate Lyrics for your Band-in-a-Box songs with LyricLab!
Need some lyrics to complete your Band-in-a-Box song? LyricLab is here to help!
LyricLab (by Joanne Cooper) is an AI-powered tool designed to quickly create lyrics and chords to fit your music. Just enter a rough idea of your lyrics, and let the AI bring them to life. Once you're happy with the results, simply import the LyricLab file into Band-in-a-Box® 2024 or newer. From there, you can pick your style and generate melodies to match your song’s chords!
Learn more about LyricLab here!
Watch the video.
Band-in-a-Box 2024 Italian for Mac is Here!
Ci siamo dati da fare e abbiamo aggiunto oltre 50 nuove funzionalità e una straordinaria raccolta di nuovi contenuti, tra cui 222 RealTracks, nuovi RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 3, Playable RealDrums Set 2, due nuovi set di "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 e altro ancora!
Tutti Pacchetti | Nuove Caratteristiche
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 German for Mac is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 für Mac Deutsch ist verfügbar!
Wir waren fleißig und haben über 50 neue Funktionen und eine erstaunliche Sammlung neuer Inhalte hinzugefügt, darunter 222 RealTracks, neue RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, abspielbare RealTracks Set 3, abspielbare RealDrums Set 2, zwei neue Sets von "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK & 7, Xtra Styles PAK 17 & 18, und mehr!
Paket | Was ist Neu
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 French for Mac® is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 apporte plus de 50 fonctions nouvelles ainsi qu'une importante de contenus nouveaux à savoir : 222 RealTracks, des RealStyles nouveaux, des SuperTracks MIDI, des Etudes d'Instruments, des Prestations d'Artistes, des "Morceaux avec Choeurs", un Set 3 de Tracks Jouables, un Set 2 de RealDrums Jouables, deux nouveaux Sets de "RealDrums Stems", des Styles XPro PAK 6 & 7, des Xtra Styles PAK 17 & 18, et bien plus encore!
New! XPro Styles PAK 7 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 7 with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 50 RealTracks and RealDrums that are sure to delight!
With XPro Styles PAK 7 you can expect 25 rock & pop, 25 jazz, and 25 country styles, as well as 25 of this year's wildcard genre: Celtic!
Here's a small sampling of what XPro Styles PAK 7 has to offer: energetic rock jigs, New Orleans funk, lilting jazz waltzes, fast Celtic punk, uptempo train beats, gritty grunge, intense jazz rock, groovy EDM, soulful R&B, soft singer-songwriter pop, country blues rock, and many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 7 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box 2024® with XPro Styles PAK 7! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Watch the XPro Styles PAK 7 Overview & Styles Demos video.
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2024 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box version 2024 is here with 200 brand new styles to take for a spin!
Along with 50 new styles each for the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, we’ve put together a collection of styles using sounds from the SynthMaster plugin!
In this PAK you'll find: dubby reggae grooves, rootsy Americana, LA jazz pop, driving pop rock, mellow electronica, modern jazz fusion, spacey country ballads, Motown shuffles, energetic EDM, and plenty of synth heavy grooves! Xtra Style PAK 18 features these styles and many, many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 18 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Expand your Band-in-a-Box 2024® library with Xtra Styles PAK 18! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 18 here.
Watch the Xtra Styles PAK 18 Overview & Styles Demos video.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 18 requires the 2024 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box version 2024 is here with 200 brand new styles to take for a spin!
Along with 50 new styles each for the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, we’ve put together a collection of styles using sounds from the SynthMaster plugin!
In this PAK you'll find: dubby reggae grooves, rootsy Americana, LA jazz pop, driving pop rock, mellow electronica, modern jazz fusion, spacey country ballads, Motown shuffles, energetic EDM, and plenty of synth heavy grooves! Xtra Style PAK 18 features these styles and many, many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 18 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Expand your Band-in-a-Box 2024® library with Xtra Styles PAK 18! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 18 here.
Watch the Xtra Styles PAK 18 Overview & Styles Demos video.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 18 requires the 2024 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums65
Topics82,924
Posts753,242
Members39,030
| |
Most Online3,932
Nov 19th, 2024
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean