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I've been looking at the issue of copyright and BiaB, and it seems clear that I own whatever I create myself and no once can claim copyright on it, including the use of BiaB and the RealTracks. Is that correct?
I don't plan to make any money off this, but I also don't want to be messed with by the YouTube copyright gods. As a musician, part of me agrees that it's legit.
I want to post backing tracks for standards on YouTube created in BiaB. They will be for my own use and posting them on YouTube is just a convenient way to have them available on all my devices. But I may also share links to them on forums for others to use. My assumption is that the chord structures in most standards are not
unique enough to be copyrighted. For example, I believe [ Am D7 G7 Cmaj7 F D E7 Am A7 Dm7 G6 C Am Dm7 G7 C E ] is a chord sequence anyone can use. It happens to a be from a lyrics sheet for Fly Me To the Moon, but it could also be for my own composition. Is that correct?
In order to refer to the "inspiration" for the backing track, I'm considering using a "trick" I've seen in a few places, like the styles embedded in my keyboard, and change the title to distinguish my work from the original. Examples are "A trip to space" for "Fly me to the Moon" and "Simple Samba" for "One Note Samba". I don't think this is cheating. Is that correct? Failing that, I can just call it "Backing Track for Samba". Does that make sense? (In fact, I could have generic titles only I and those I tell would know what they match.)
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I want to post backing tracks for standards on YouTube created in BiaB
If you say they are for a known 'standard', you've goofed already BiaB assumes you came up with something original (to my understanding) Otherwise, yes, chords themselves are not copyrightable /not a lawyer
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dropbox or google drive is just as convenient and you won't be risking the 'copyright gods'
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Good point about putting somewhere else than YouTube. Thanks.
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Instead of standards, let's say the same chord sequence as one or more standards. 
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Instead of standards, let's say the same chord sequence as one or more standards. I understand that chords and chord sequences are not copyrightable. You may need to confirm though.
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It's my understanding that youtube copyright bots look for written titles. Seriously doubt they can interpret audio. If it's a backing track with no lyrics or melody, then youtube viewers wouldn't be likely to turn you in, either.
The ruling hasn't come down yet over chord progressions being copyrightable. Any reasonable musician knows that's ridiculous--but Ed Sheeran is currently being sued in New York over that question.
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if it was possible to copyright C-Am-F-G7 half the pop tunes of the last 50 years would be legally actionable
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if it was possible to copyright C-Am-F-G7 half the pop tunes of the last 50 years would be legally actionable Good point Bob. I think in the fifties it would have been even more than half 
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if it was possible to copyright C-Am-F-G7 half the pop tunes of the last 50 years would be legally actionable I was worried about that too, so I started using D-Bm-G-A7 instead.
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The arrangements made by Band-in-a-Box, RealBand, and PowerTracks are yours, and your songs may be used freely as long as they don't infringe upon the intellectual property rights of others. https://www.pgmusic.com/salesfaq5.htm#23The following add-ons are under PG Music Inc. copyright: Band-in-a-Box demo songs PowerTracks MultiTracks Performance Series songs MIDI Fakebooks (except the Sound Tracks MIDI Fakebooks) For specific details on how copyright laws work in your unique region, please contact your local copyrights law office. --- From my own personal experience before I started working here, the YouTube bots can be a bit sensitive and flag videos for copyright that they shouldn't. It is a computer algorithm after all, and they are not perfect. From YouTube's standpoint, it is better to be overly cautious than not cautious enough. But if your video does get flagged for copyright, usually all that means is that you can't monetize the video. If you do want to monetize the video and it gets flagged, then YouTube has a process where you can dispute it. You would need to contact YouTube for more details on that process.
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if it was possible to copyright C-Am-F-G7 half the pop tunes of the last 50 years would be legally actionable I was worried about that too, so I started using D-Bm-G-A7 instead. Just raise those up by a half-step for the horn players.
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a half step?? <confused>
/no closing tag yet is intentional
//guess I could have done a closing tag and commented it out, but I probably would have been the only one that giggled
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Ha. Bob, maybe you’re kidding, but if not, let me explain. On a trumpet or soprano or tenor sax., that progression by John Ford becomes E, C#m, A, B7. Not keys that are as fluent for non-pro horn players as F, Dm, Bb, C7.
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Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
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</confused> (closed now) E isn't that big a deal on horn. Gets your ring finger(s) working, plural applies if below the staff Like Mario said, I'd rather have to think of horn in E than guitar in Eb .. though both reduce the common 'open' string/valve use which presents a challenge to some
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FYI - I have played in bands with horns so I can play in the keys of F, Bb, Eb, and Ab. Of course a guitarist can cheat and tune their guitar down one half step.
Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
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Actually, Eb is just about my favorite key to play in. Not sure why, but lots of good jazz standards are written in this key.
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Actually, Eb is just about my favorite key to play in. Not sure why, but lots of good jazz standards are written in this key. I like Eb, too. On a piano, the notes sit very comfortably under the fingers.
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Let me say first and foremost when it comes to music I’m a cowboy. Made more out of 3 to 4 chords than anything else. Then again played stuff that sounds nice and subsequently found I was playing chords I didn’t know I knew.
I was always under the impression that keys such as Bb or Eb were often used to make things easier for instruments that were more natural in that key (horns, brass, winds or whatever they are called).
In the reading I’ve carried out, the general opinion is that many progressions are not copyrighted because they are standards some were written many, many, many years ago (if written at all).
Copyright often seems to go way to far. For example, someone plays a twiddle on a flute, then, some person says “oh dear that reminds me of an old kookaburra, maybe we could sue and win”.
Was there any intent? Who cares there could be money in it.
Who owns 12 bar blues or is it 12 bar country maybe throw a couple of fingers in a different place it becomes 12 bar jazz or 12 bar classical. At what point does it stop.
Yes people deserve to be paid and intellectual property is of importance but IMHO so is the need for common folk to express themselves.
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