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Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature #699778 01/20/22 07:00 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 18 Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, Canad... K Kelly Sapergia OP Enthusiast
OP Kelly Sapergia Enthusiast K Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 18 Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, Canad...	Hi, While going through the various styles in the Style Picker this evening in BIAB 2022 UltraPak+ for Windows, I came across a style called BM_CWLTZ, which is a Country Waltz style. The demo sounds great, but when I select it, the RealDrums track plays a normal Swing pattern, and not the waltz one as heard in the demo. The other tracks appear to play correctly. I've tried changing the time signature to 3/4 by typing "3/4" in the Chord Sheet at bar 1, but that hasn't helped. Is there something I need to do to get the drums in this style to play correctly, or is it a bug? Thanks. Yours Sincerely, Kelly John Sapergia

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Kelly Sapergia #699785 01/20/22 08:00 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: Kelly Sapergia Hi, While going through the various styles in the Style Picker this evening in BIAB 2022 UltraPak+ for Windows, I came across a style called BM_CWLTZ, which is a Country Waltz style. The demo sounds great, but when I select it, the RealDrums track plays a normal Swing pattern, and not the waltz one as heard in the demo. The other tracks appear to play correctly. I've tried changing the time signature to 3/4 by typing "3/4" in the Chord Sheet at bar 1, but that hasn't helped. Is there something I need to do to get the drums in this style to play correctly, or is it a bug? Thanks. Yours Sincerely, Kelly John Sapergia I'm presuming that you sense the drums are not playing a 3/4 time signature, but 4/4 or something else? I tried and unfortunately could not repeat your issue. The drums very definitely played in 3/4 time. Does your drum setup look like this? : Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) 2022-01-21_17-54-19.jpg (77.77 KB, 188 downloads) BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Kelly Sapergia #699829 01/21/22 03:10 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Oct 2020 Posts: 836 Chantelle - PG Music PG Music Staff
Chantelle - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: Oct 2020 Posts: 836	Hi Kelly, we are also unable to reproduce a 4/4 sounding drum with this Style. Please check to see if the drum track is frozen. If it is, then if you had a 4/4 drum loaded before selecting this Style, then it would not change. You would also want to make sure you have the latest build update downloaded and installed from here: https://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) freeze_track.png (25.97 KB, 175 downloads) Best, Chantelle

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature AudioTrack #699837 01/21/22 03:49 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 18 Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, Canad... K Kelly Sapergia OP Enthusiast
OP Kelly Sapergia Enthusiast K Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 18 Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, Canad...	Hi Chantelle, Sorry, but as I'm a totally blind user of the program, I'm afraid the attachment didn't help. I tried loading the demo song from the Style Picker window, but the drums are still not playing right. At first, they seemed to play in 3/4 time, but then went back to the 4/4 swing pattern. The drums are not frozen. If you want, I can record a brief audio file demonstrating what it's doing. I'm using build 914 of version 2022. Hope this helps. Yours Sincerely, Kelly John Sapergia

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Kelly Sapergia #699847 01/21/22 05:08 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jul 2021 Posts: 23 UK dr_t Enthusiast
dr_t Enthusiast Joined: Jul 2021 Posts: 23 UK	I get exactly the same problem with that style. It's actually a lot more weird than that. If the drummer is playing 3/4 time then it's a really strange one where the downbeat sometimes lands on the first beat of the bar and the upbeat sometimes lands on the first beat of the bar. In actual fact, it plays in 4/4 most of the time but occasionally throws in a 3 beat bar and then starts again. For me, it does this... \|123\|412\|341\|234\|123\|*123\|412\|341\|234\|123\|412\|341\|etc (continues now in 4/4 without any self-correction until it goes to the next verse and then the pattern is the same again). This is just using a blank song sheet (C chord in bar 1) of default 32 bars.

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Kelly Sapergia #699856 01/21/22 05:50 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,024 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,024 Wauconda	Well AudioTrack and Chantelle appear to be showing drums from a different style and not what is iin BM_CWLTZ.STY. This is what happens when the drummer doesn't keep the band together. On a quick listen, dr_t describes best what I am hearing . Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Capture.JPG (85.23 KB, 156 downloads) BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature DrDan #699869 01/21/22 06:49 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Oct 2020 Posts: 836 Chantelle - PG Music PG Music Staff
Chantelle - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: Oct 2020 Posts: 836	Originally Posted By: MusicStudent Well AudioTrack and Chantelle appear to be showing drums from a different style and not what is iin BM_CWLTZ.STY. This is what happens when the drummer doesn't keep the band together. On a quick listen, dr_t describes best what I am hearing . I just would like to clarify, the picture I had previously posted is just one that I generally use to illustrate where the freeze buttons are in the mixer window. So it was not taken specifically from the BM_CWLTZ Style. I get the same drum track as AudioTrack when I load the Style. Freeze buttons are the snowflake buttons in the mixer window: https://youtu.be/yTccQDqgiPA Are you using build 914 or the pre-release 917? You can check under Help \| About Band-in-a-Box, it is the number in brackets after the version year. Best, Chantelle

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Kelly Sapergia #699921 01/21/22 10:56 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,024 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,024 Wauconda	Here you can see what the OP, dt_t and I are hearing in this specific 3/4 drum track from my pre-release 917. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Capture.JPG (73.23 KB, 124 downloads) BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature DrDan #699934 01/21/22 11:43 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia	That's interesting Dan. When I load that style, this is definitely what I get. I double-checked again this morning, including loading the demo song: Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) 2022-01-22_09-38-21.jpg (112.12 KB, 119 downloads) 2022-01-22_09-40-28.jpg (162.1 KB, 119 downloads) 2022-01-22_09-46-03.jpg (124.56 KB, 118 downloads) BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Kelly Sapergia #699941 01/21/22 12:20 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,024 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,024 Wauconda	I bet at some point you got the fix and others did not. It is 3 beats / measure but the problem is the emphasis of the beats, One time it is on the third bead, then on the first beat then later on the second beat. No way to know just where the true downbeat starts. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature DrDan #699950 01/21/22 12:50 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia	I agree about where the emphasis on the beat occurs. It seems like they took a 4/4 and divided up into groups of 3/4 BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Kelly Sapergia #699996 01/21/22 06:05 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,440 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,440 Australia	I've just had a play with this style. Here are my thoughts.... 1) The time signature is set to 3/4. 2) The Realtracks are all 3/4 Realtracks. 3) The Realdrums chosen is a 4/4. What I hear is a 4/4 instrument, in this case drums, being generated as 3/4. I've played around with this a few times in the past and it creates some very interesting effects. The strength of 4/4's four beats = strong, weak, medium, weak. My experience is that when BIAB generates a 4/4 pattern in 3/4 time, the process involves various ways of truncating the "strong, weak, medium, weak" pattern. I've always taken this to be because BIAB's RealInstruments are snippets of recordings and not just individual beats. This means that some possible 3/4 truncations of beats and their strengths are... strong, weak medium weak, medium, weak, medium, weak, strong, weak, strong, weak The really interesting thing is that when these truncations are placed side by side, some avant guarde rhythmic patterns occur. examples... strong, weak, medium \| weak, strong, weak \| medium, weak strong \| etc... Normally waltz beat-strengths are Strong-weak-weak, so the above patterns confuse the ear. This is what I hear when I solo the drums. Now, these 4/4 drums might be intentional with the style or they might be in error and a 3/4 pattern should have been chosen. Because I tend to focus on the instruments when I listen to music, I hear this style as 3/4 with an interesting cross-over type of drum background. If someone who listens to this focuses on the drums, however, I imagine they would hear a mish-mash of uncomfortable rhythms. Regards, Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Noel96 #700026 01/21/22 10:21 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia	Hi Noel Yes, I totally agree with your summations. I'm also certain it's a 4/4 rhythm being played at a 3/4 time signature. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Kelly Sapergia #700035 01/22/22 01:31 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 928 Springfield, MO J Joseph Land Expert
Joseph Land Expert J Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 928 Springfield, MO	I checked the style on my install and I am not seeing what AudioTrack or Noel are seeing. The drum style that loaded in mine is 3/4 Nashville Waltz and the audio wave form verifies that. I hear the downbeat on beat 1 on all 3 choruses. Just to be sure, I generated the drum track 10 times and it never got out of 3/4 time. For those who are seeing something different, I might suggest you re-download the RealDrums and re-install it so see if that changes. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) biab.jpg (567.13 KB, 2 downloads) mixer.jpg (409.06 KB, 100 downloads) tempo.jpg (466.39 KB, 99 downloads) BIAB2024 Windows 10 Pro WA6NCB

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Kelly Sapergia #700044 01/22/22 02:45 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,659 Pensacola, Florida jford Veteran
jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,659 Pensacola, Florida	There are two similar styles: BM_CWLTZ and _BM_CWLT The first one has NashvilleSw8 as the RD. The second one has NashvilleWaltzSw as the RD. Surprisingly, the first one doesn't have an underscore at the beginning if the name as all these other PGMusic RealStyles do. Except for the drum and piano track, they both have the same instruments for the other tracks (bass, guitar, strings tracks). The first has a fiddle on the piano track, the second has a mandolin on the piano track. It makes me think they just selected the wrong drum track for the first one. John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2024/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature jford #700049 01/22/22 03:05 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia	The real confusing thing here is that going back through all of the entries in this thread, when some people load the BM_CWLTZ style they get Swing Drums and when others load the exact same style, they get Waltz drums It's not one-off. Multiple users are seeing the two different drum patterns. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature AudioTrack #700060 01/22/22 04:41 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,054 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,054 Hamlin NY	When I play BM_CWLTZ or _BM_CWLTZ I get the correct 3/4 drum track. This is very weird. Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player? 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Kelly Sapergia #700115 01/22/22 07:59 AM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 928 Springfield, MO J Joseph Land Expert
Joseph Land Expert J Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 928 Springfield, MO	Those who are getting 4/4 time should go in and re download the real-drums package from their account and reinstall it and see if it makes any difference. Not the 1st time I have had to re download an old package in which I found a small abnormality, and in that case, the re-download fixed my problem. I believe this is in RealDrums 7 set. RealDrums Set 7: Nashville Swing BIAB2024 Windows 10 Pro WA6NCB

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature Joseph Land #700184 01/22/22 12:52 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,719 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: jcland Those who are getting 4/4 time should go in and re download the real-drums package from their account and reinstall it and see if it makes any difference. Not the 1st time I have had to re download an old package in which I found a small abnormality, and in that case, the re-download fixed my problem. I believe this is in RealDrums 7 set. RealDrums Set 7: Nashville Swing Good advice, and I followed it an reinstalled RealDrum Sets 1-10, 11-20, & 21-29. I am definitely only choosing style: 'BM_CWLTZ' What I found is that there are two demo songs available when pressing the Load Song Demo button (do others get this choice?). The RealDrums change depending on which demo song you load. See below: Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) 2022-01-23_10-40-07.jpg (25.67 KB, 59 downloads) 2022-01-23_10-42-27.jpg (113.11 KB, 59 downloads) 2022-01-23_10-43-30.jpg (118.89 KB, 58 downloads) BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Drums Playing Wrong Time Signature AudioTrack #700218 01/22/22 04:05 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 928 Springfield, MO J Joseph Land Expert
Joseph Land Expert J Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 928 Springfield, MO	I only get 1 choice and that is the NashvilleWaltzSw (which is the correct drum pattern) Looks like one of your choices NashvilleSwing8 which is a 4/4 pattern. That my friend might just be the error we have been looking for. Truth be known, I have seen this type of error occur on the past and PG came out with a fix in the next updated. Now my BIAB install is a fresh one that I did right after the 2022 release came out so I have the latest Realdrum version which I re-downloaded back around the middle of December. Others who are seeing this error just might have a older install which might by why you have 2 choices for the demo song, one which appears to have the wrong drum track. I would suggest highly at this time that you re-download and re-install the RealDrum packages just to insure you have the latest ones. I have found in the past that PGMUSIC does update what can be downloaded from your account. It's worth a try. BIAB2024 Windows 10 Pro WA6NCB

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