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Latin Liftoff #704301 02/12/22 11:50 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,319 United States Bass Thumper OP Veteran
OP Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,319 United States	Here is my 1st attempt at two new things for me in BiaB arrangements; a tempo change (90 to 120BPM) and a call-and-answer (guitar & organ). Comments welcome. https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677/latin-liftoff https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: Latin Liftoff Bass Thumper #704303 02/12/22 12:08 PM User Showcase
Joined: May 2014 Posts: 4,048 The Netherlands RnAM Veteran
RnAM Veteran Joined: May 2014 Posts: 4,048 The Netherlands	The music is very nice. The tempo change comes rather unexpected. Maybe it's an idea to use a full stop on the last chord before the tempo changes. The call and answer is a good idea. We hear the organ on the left (earbuds) and the guitar in the middle. Why not let the guitar come from the right? Just some ideas. Rob and Anne-Marie We are Rob Meulman and Anne-Marie Bovenkamp from The Netherlands. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1gsdNLE7_Gy8qavoOplQow/videos http://rnam.net/

Re: Latin Liftoff RnAM #704315 02/12/22 12:37 PM User Showcase
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,319 United States Bass Thumper OP Veteran
OP Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,319 United States	Thanks for listening and the useful comments. It never occurred to me to do a full stop, wouldn't that be more unexpected? Maybe unexpected is more pleasing? I actually increased from 90 to 110 to 120 over 3 bars thinking it would be gradual. As for the left-right balance on the guitar and organ, that is a great idea! Panning one left and the other right would make the call-answer more dramatic. https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: Latin Liftoff Bass Thumper #704319 02/12/22 01:03 PM User Showcase
Joined: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,689 Mark Hayes Expert
Mark Hayes Expert Joined: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,689	I gave this a listen because I'm interested in the underused ability to change tempo. But I have to say, in this case, it doesn't sound very musical, it sounds like a turntable speeding up uncontrollably. Going from 90 to 120 over 3 bars is NOT gradual! =8^)

Re: Latin Liftoff Mark Hayes #704324 02/12/22 01:23 PM User Showcase
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,319 United States Bass Thumper OP Veteran
OP Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,319 United States	Mark, this is the kind of feedback I seek as I'm still experimenting with this tool. Got any tips on tempo changes? Gradual vs sudden? If gradual, over how many bars? https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: Latin Liftoff Bass Thumper #704328 02/12/22 01:38 PM User Showcase
Joined: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,689 Mark Hayes Expert
Mark Hayes Expert Joined: Jun 2021 Posts: 1,689	Originally Posted By: Bass Thumper Mark, this is the kind of feedback I seek as I'm still experimenting with this tool. Got any tips on tempo changes? Gradual vs sudden? If gradual, over how many bars? Jeez, I don't know, I'm tempted to Google up some recommendations then pass them off as my own, but let me not. =8^) To be clear, it wasn't so much a musical judgment I was making, as in "too much accelerandissimo!", it was more like: "What I just heard sounded like somebody turned a knob, and now a machine is going much faster." I didn't especially care for the effect, but it may have been exactly what you wanted. It would certainly work for a DJ! Personally, I think I would go for a full stop followed by an unexpected temp change, which isn't liable to sounding artificially smooth in transition.

Re: Latin Liftoff Bass Thumper #704339 02/12/22 02:06 PM User Showcase
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,319 United States Bass Thumper OP Veteran
OP Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,319 United States	Much appreciated. Not sure if my bass playing is up to a step-change in tempo after a full stop but I'll give it a try. My other option is to just keep the tempo constant. https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

Re: Latin Liftoff Bass Thumper #704343 02/12/22 02:17 PM User Showcase
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 21,532 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 21,532 Hamlin NY	Things are starting to gel for you. I'm an not a fan of that abrupt tempo change. I would have liked to hear a subtle tempo change, say 90 to 95, then back down to 90. I have slightly increased my tempo during a chorus then back down during the following verse. YMMV Sounding better with each post. Inflation is so bad that CEOs are now playing miniature golf! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Latin Liftoff MarioD #704362 02/12/22 04:11 PM User Showcase
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,319 United States Bass Thumper OP Veteran
OP Bass Thumper Veteran Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 2,319 United States	Thanks to all that commented. I chopped the tempo change (seemed like a good idea at the time). https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677/latin-liftoff I also improved the left-right pan. https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.

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