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Pipeline,
It's great to see you posting again, and I hope you are keeping well.
Thanks for the great suggestions.


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Thanks Peter, yes going good. Love you guys and Biab, I hope there's some ideas there that will help Biab grow and be loved even more.
It's a shame Apple have to stuff up developers every five minutes by changing things so apps don't work anymore causing developers to spend so much extra time on the Mac apps for every different Mac OS, Windows aims to keep all apps working on the rare occasion of the release of a new OS, not on a weekly basis.
It would be a miracle of miracles if Apple fixed it so apps keep working, maybe Elon needs to get on it.

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I'm really enjoying playing with these features Pipeline.
I'm not finding things always working right, but its a wonderful tool, many thanks for your hard work.


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Thanks Andrew, you will get used to it, it uses a few workarounds using AutoHotkey. Hopefully we can get this integrated into the BBPlugin, it will be even quicker then. For Reaper users it could also inject the tracks directly into the Reaper tracks as the BBPlugin has access to the Reaper API to do all the things that can be done with scripting like getting the tempo map, reading/inserting chord markers/regions, insert the Biab source media files etc...

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With a consolidated wav file you don't have the control like the individual track segments. Below you can adjust the timing, volume or length as well as stretching it so it plays a slow strum. You have total control of what is played and where.
Sure if you are up on stage with Biab backing or don't use a DAW it won't help but if you are just creating up songs/tracks then this will give you the control that you need.

Watch https://www.dropbox.com/s/9xqixqq7uvj3wbu/Reaper-Biab-Track-Injector-Pushes-3.mp4?dl=0

Download Reaper-Biab-Track-Injector-Pushes-3.mp4

The Pushes use a 4 bar Hold so you can adjust to what length you like.

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With just a quick look I can see the potential here. Perhaps it's time for another look at Reaper!


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For sure, and if you don't have Reaper it's free to try n try n try...

If you have an instrument using the "Held" option you can easily adjust the strum levels to even out the track:

Watch https://www.dropbox.com/s/98077kme7kyfifb/Reaper-Biab-Track-Injector-Held-Instruments-Levels.mp4?dl=0

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I added some buttons to set/del take markers with item names where you have RT changes on the same track:


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Now again, if you select the "Held" option for a RealTrack it will play the Holds. You can also easily adjust the strum speed by selecting all the items on the track then right click Item properties and change the Playback rate.
You can't do this with a consolidated wav file.

Watch https://www.dropbox.com/s/ec12rtzjibw67j7/Reaper-Biab-Track-Injector-Held-StrumSpeed.mp4?dl=0

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Segmented sections vs Consolidated
When the Biab track data is injected directly into Reaper it's lot quicker than rendering and you can adjust any track segment or delete and replace with a new section but the consolidate rendered wav file you can't do much with it.

Watch https://www.dropbox.com/s/7mnmpr864pb133a/Reaper-Biab-Track-Injector-Inject-Consolidate.mp4?dl=0

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Pipeline.
im trying to install track injector.

I have proceeded as the video tells me.
when i open track injector in reaper and try to create rt list
reaper stalls and track injector shows not responding.

running 923 biab.
biab is open ,mixer is floating and rt list is open in biab.

could you give me any advice please.
i would really love to get working with track injector.
Thanks for any advice you may be able to give.


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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
Here's your Biab Live Arranger playing wma direct
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g28fd8zss4me8h8/Biab-Live-Arranger-WMA.mp4?dl=0
you just need to put it in an easy programmed crossplatform language so you don't spend half the year on Win and the other half on Mac.
It just needs to be basic without all the Biab features.
When the user loads a style it just loads all the track data for those RTs and plays the user's chord input back direct from the wma/wav source file sections that are referenced in the data.
Or you can just wait till Yamaha do it.


Or you can just wait till Yamaha do it.
The "Realtracks inside a keyboard" concept, now a reality(?)
Originally Posted By: Icelander
It does seem that they've now all but perfected the implementation of the very concept which many on here have been suggesting PG could've (should've!) done ages ago. It even promises to include 'Unique' Soloists! shocked

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And for some proper audio examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKuAXBlnQeQ


I have seen so many posts posted here for years showing PG clearly how this can be done, but the response from PG has been "we can't do this with Biab because of old users with old computers" or zero response at all that is most of the time, so the technology must not surpass that of old user's hardware, so basically stay 20 years behind ?

Other companies come here to get ideas that are posted here and they implement them long before PG ever get around to it, I have seen this over n over.
I have seen PG delete posts that clearly outline issues where users are trying to help to make it better.
So if you tell the truth you get cancelled.
You don't get this on the Reaper forum where users can openly criticize and not get cancelled.
You need to appreciate constructive criticism, so speak up and "engage" with users and not take them for granted.
As been stated there is so much info that has been posted here clearly showing how well it works way better in speed and ease giving way more control, way ahead of how Biab has been working and is currently working but just seems to fall on deaf ears with zero engagement from PG, I can see how this can be very discouraging for users.
PG needs to spend time away from Biab on other software, see how it works, how smooth and easy things are etc.. rather than being stuck in a bubble.
Other users need to study whats been posted and try it out for themselves and not wait years for PG to hold their hand and give them the OK.

This may well be another post that gets deleted frown



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Hello paulpaul,

Did you find any solution for the problem with the BIAB injector hanging/crashing in Reaper?

I am just trying to install the Reaper BIAB Injector.
I have gone through all steps in the instructions and the instruction videos several times but I still can't get it to work. It looks like it behaves in a similar way as in your description above.

I have my BIAB on another disk not the C disk. I wonder if that could be a problem.
The BIAB Injector GUI starts fine in Reaper.
But when I am going to settings and trying to “browse folder for reapeak”s or “create RT list or RD list” Reaper hangs and crashes.

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"“browse folder for reapeak”s or “create RT list or RD list” Reaper hangs and crashes."
You shouldn't need to batch create the reapeaks it should do it as you go, it's just a bit quick if you have the peaks already, but I think you just browse for the RealTracks then Drums folder then it should scan all sub directories and create reapeak files for the audio file type you are using that it is set to in the dropdown.
The create list you can do that manually by clicking the button in the RT and RD pickers, the Copy List button at the "Copy List" bottom of RT & RD picker windows, the text file will save to c:\bb\Data\RealTracksList.txt c:\bb\Data\RealDrumsList.txt or whatever drive you have BB set on in the injector settings tab.
It probably freezes because the little notice that BB gives to say it's finished creating the txt file list goes behind the picker window as it will take a while to create the list.
Remember you can end task autohotkey that is running in the system tray if you get a lockup.

**Make sure you have all the tracks showing with no filters set so you get a complete list of tracks and drums.

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Here's the fix update for the Biab track injector GUI.lua
just replace the Biab track injector GUI.lua only.
https://stash.reaper.fm/44058/Biab-track-injector-GUI.zip

It was just the reapeak button was on the wrong tab after an update.

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The list creation works, but as I said any issues just do a manual list creation.
The RealTracks do take a while to create as there are many.

**Make sure you have all the tracks showing with no filters set so you get a complete list of tracks and drums.




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Another thing I can't remember if it was mentioned, is before you create reapeaks move the Data folder out of x:\bb\RealTracks\Data to the root directory then move it back after the peaks are made else it will make up all peak files for the wma demos.

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Thanks for the help. I have checked all the points above.
I have got a bit further on way now.

It seemed to be the AutoHotKey that got stuck in the “User Account Control”.
So now I am able to create the RT & RD lists.
And to communicate between BIAB and Reaper for some functions eg. Start, stop, regenerate… works fine.

But I still have problems trying to import the tracks.

It worked once for one style (RT & RD) but not for another styles and only when I imported the tracks one by one.
Then I was able to import each track both audio and midi to reaper. If I use only midi styles (midi instruments) it works fine.
But when I try it again with the same song same style (RT & RD) it no longer works and it is the same problem with other styles.

Reaper hangs/crashes when trying to import the track from BIAB. It gets quite a bit on the way, I can se the audio wave building up in Reaper, but then it crashes with the message... It works fine with the drum track but not for any of the other RT tracks.

... “Building Peaks (no response)”



Also when I am trying to "Browse folder for Reapeaks" it still crashes with the log:

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Error: Biab track injector GUI.lua:3015: attempt to call a nil value (field 'JS_Dialog_BrowseForFolder')

Stack traceback:
ReaTrak_Core.lua:93: in field 'JS_Dialog_BrowseForFolder'
Biab track injector GUI.lua:3015: in function 'reapeaks_folder_btn_click'
Class - Button.lua:138: in method 'onmouseup'
ReaTrak_Core.lua:887: in field 'Update'
ReaTrak_Core.lua:440: in field 'Main_Update_Elms'
ReaTrak_Core.lua:307: in function <...rs\hakan\AppData\Roaming\REAPER\Scripts\ReaTrak_Core.lua:303>
[C]: in function 'xpcall'
ReaTrak_Core.lua:303: in function <...rs\hakan\AppData\Roaming\REAPER\Scripts\ReaTrak_Core.lua:302>

Lokasenna_GUI:
v2.16.8
Reaper:
6.68/x64
Platform:
Win64

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I think JS_Dialog_BrowseForFolder should be in the SWS Extension pack
https://www.sws-extension.org/

https://www.dropbox.com/s/auheo1kfzpahrdv/BB-track-injector-tracks.mp4?dl=0

You may have to run Reaper as administrator also so it can run the Autohotkey script if you have Biab running as administrator you will need autohotkey and reaper to run as admin.
I'm not using UAC.

https://www.autohotkey.com/docs/FAQ.htm#uac

I think the building peaks may take a very long time so maybe go away and come back later.

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With the reapeaks try it on just one realtrack instrument folder only and if it's working you know it will just take a while to do all.
Also try and disable UAC just while you try the injector then enable it after to see if it solves issues.

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