I have several instruments in my song, guitars, drums, pianos, etc. And in the Mixer Window they are presented in an unordered chaotic mix along with unused Utility and Melody instruments probably because I created/chose them in that sequence or they defaulted to that position in the list. I find that when you control them in the Bar Settings window that this same unordered listing is shown; the 2 displays seem to be linked making it clumbsy to work with in both places.
Is there a way to control how these instruments are ordered? Something like Guitar 1, Guitar 2, Guitar 3, Drums 1, Drums 2, Drums 3 . . . would be much easier to work with compared to what I now have.
If this is not possible in BiaB 2022 (Windows) is there interest to put this on the Wishlist for future versions?
On a more broad note for the experts, is it easier on your workflow to just export each of the instruments/Real Tracks from BiaB and import them into your DAW to control their volumes there? I use Studio One Artist.
Thanks.
Last edited by Bass Thumper; 06/21/2210:15 AM.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
I don't believe that it's currently possible. I also recall it having been mentioned somewhere previously, but you are welcome to put a Wishlist suggestion. I would certainly support it.
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Is there a way to control how these instruments are ordered? Something like Guitar 1, Guitar 2, Guitar 3, Drums 1, Drums 2, Drums 3 . . . would be much easier to work with compared to what I now have.
If this is not possible in BiaB 2022 (Windows) is there interest to put this on the Wishlist for future versions?
On a more broad note for the experts, is it easier on your workflow to just export each of the instruments/Real Tracks from BiaB and import them into your DAW to control their volumes there? I use Studio One Artist.
Thanks.
you would get a +1 from me for the naming of each track but I would add that said name would carry over to your DAW.
Personally I prefer to move all of the tracks over to my DAW, Studio One Pro 5, and do all of my work there. I get out of BiaB as soon as I can but remember that is only my workflow. Others here do most all of their work in BiaB.
Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
On a more broad note for the experts, is it easier on your workflow to just export each of the instruments/Real Tracks from BiaB and import them into your DAW to control their volumes there? I use Studio One Artist.Thanks.
I can understand someone coming up with your original inquiry but the above is what I would recommend. Importing the BIAB waves into your DAW is ultimately the next step anyway and you can sort tracks as you please.
Thanks AudioTrack, it's nice to know that I'm not missing something very basic and that my question is not totally dumb.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
I get out of BiaB as soon as I can but remember that is only my workflow.
Thanks for the reply Mario. Up to this point I try to stay inside BiaB for as long as possible mainly because I can label each section of my song for Intro, Verse 1, Chorus 1, etc. This, along with seeing the grid gives me important visual cues as to the structure of my song as I'm developing it.
But maybe Studio One can also give these visuals and I just need to learn them?
At some point I usually create a chord sheet in MS Word with the sections clearly defined and if required, with notes that tell me and others I may work with when various instruments are in or out and other important info.
I wonder if there is a video, (ideally for me) that shows smart workflows beginning with BiaB, moving to Studio One and bouncing back one or more times? I'm sure my process can be improved.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
Thanks 1966, Maybe it's time for me to dig deeper into Studio One.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
Thanks for the reply Mario. Up to this point I try to stay inside BiaB for as long as possible mainly because I can label each section of my song for Intro, Verse 1, Chorus 1, etc. This, along with seeing the grid gives me important visual cues as to the structure of my song as I'm developing it.
But maybe Studio One can also give these visuals and I just need to learn them?
Yes that option is included in Studio One Artist, see picture.
Originally Posted By: Bass Thumper
At some point I usually create a chord sheet in MS Word with the sections clearly defined and if required, with notes that tell me and others I may work with when various instruments are in or out and other important info.
I wonder if there is a video, (ideally for me) that shows smart workflows beginning with BiaB, moving to Studio One and bouncing back one or more times? I'm sure my process can be improved.
Here is my workflow: 1-Get the basics down in BiaB 2-Set up drag and drop 3-go to DAW mode (note that I have BiaB with MME drivers and Studio One Pro in ASIO driver so I can work with both simultaneously) 4-Move all tracks to Studio One. (I do all of my final work in my DAW. The only thing I do in BiaB is to set up the basics, i.e. chords, style, pushes, pulls, etc) 5-If needed put BiaB back to normal mode (I always keep BiaB open until I get all of the tracks I want into my DAW) 6-Repeat steps 2,3 and 4
Note I have tried the utility tracks and the VST version and was not very happy with them so I went back to my original workflow. When time permits I will experiment with those options again.
Again this is just my workflow so it may or may not work for you.
Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
Not to 'rock the boat' (or capsize it - Yep, I've done that before) the request was: could BiaB allow a user to reorder the tracks.
Lots of great and helpful suggestions on how to workaround this limitation by migrating and using other external tools in other DAWS. But ultimately the answer to the O/P is that BiaB cannot currently do this, and hopefully there would be support that it should be an integrated function without the need to migrate and continue working with an external tool just to achieve this.
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Yes that option is included in Studio One Artist, see picture.
I don't quite follow what the red arrow is pointing to in regards to the visual cues. Is it that the tracks are visible?
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
FWIW, I personally now prefer to keep the first 7 tracks with their functional/default names, whilst a few of them remain a bit special, particularly Melody and Soloist.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2024 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
Not to 'rock the boat' (or capsize it - Yep, I've done that before) the request was: could BiaB allow a user to reorder the tracks.
Lots of great and helpful suggestions on how to workaround this limitation by migrating and using other external tools in other DAWS. But ultimately the answer to the O/P is that BiaB cannot currently do this, and hopefully there would be support that it should be an integrated function without the need to migrate and continue working with an external tool just to achieve this.
No boat rocking from what I see:) The heart of my question is how smooth a workflow can I achieve with BiaB. I'm hesitant to request this in the Wishlist forum because (from my limited perspective) the solution would require a huge programming effort by PG Music.
From my perspective only, it would be nice if the BiaB Mixer Window should be flexible enough to list at the top only the instruments actually used in your song and for you to be able to drag any instrument to any position on that list. Additionally, there seems to be a limit of how many instruments/RTs that can be operated on when you go into the Bar Settings; I think the number is 8. Once you exceed 8 instruments you have to use the Audio Edit window. So to unify all this into one central window would seem a big programming re-write.
Meanwhile, as Mario points out, and I have observed myself, you can import/drag your individual tracks into your DAW and operate on them there. Of course, my DAW doesn't have the excellent spreadsheet-like grid that BiaB has but it does work and forces me to use my ears more than my eyes which is not a bad thing.
To broaden this topic, one question for PG Music is what do they want BiaB to be? If the answer is a music creation tool and a full-blown, fully featured DAW, or a music creation tool 2nd to none which it is now. FWIW, I'm happy with either.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
... From my perspective only, it would be nice if the BiaB Mixer Window should be flexible enough to list at the top only the instruments actually used in your song ...
What happens when you enable "Auto show / hide tracks" in the mixer settings?
I'm still not understanding. If you are pointing to the "+", I have that in my version and it just adds a new track, not provide visual cues as BiaB does.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
What happens when you enable "Auto show / hide tracks" in the mixer settings?
Hmmm, I was unaware of this setting (as I am with dozens of others). This almost gets me where I'd like to be. When checked it eliminates all the unused Utility tracks and increases the font size of the remaining ones which is good but it allows "Thru" and "Melody" (which in my case are not being used) to remain. But the bigger point is that it still does not allow your tracks to be sequenced from top to bottom so that they're organized as you want.
This is turning out to be no biggie as I'm getting more proficient in dragging my tracks into Studio One and operating on them there in what they call "Automation".
Thanks Jim.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
I'm still not understanding. If you are pointing to the "+", I have that in my version and it just adds a new track, not provide visual cues as BiaB does.
My bad as I assumed that you knew the other steps. Here is another picture that explains it better....I hope. Just remember this is for the Pro version so yours may be totally different, I don't know as I do not have your version.
Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
you could simply move everything over the RealBand. You'll find that part markers give you the navigation tools you need and you'll still have the ability to generate RealTracks, midi tracks and midi supertracks. moving and ordering tracks is simplicity itself.
I for one find RealBand much more transparent and easy to work with. And its free if you have BIAB for windows!
I agree, just open the BiaB file in RB. You can then have the Grid lines and a lot of other tools similar to Biab, including still being able to Generate, renaming tracks as desired, etc etc
I prefer to Make all BiaB tracks regular tracks (it is under the Tracks options) so they behave more like a DAW, but you can also leave them so they all generate when you click Generate.
It'll take a little learning but is a logical step between BiaB and DAW (if DAW is even needed at that point)
Last edited by rharv; 06/22/2210:15 AM.
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you could simply move everything over the RealBand.
Bob, rharv, thanks for the input but in general Studio One is working out very nicely for me. Plus I gave RealBand a good "college try" and spent hours trying to get it to work, never really was successful.
This thread from February is just a small part of the effort several of us expended.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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