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Good video but he lost me at the start. Where did the MIDI file come from? I know from his hard drive but how was it created?
What are the steps in creating a MIDI file from a popular song like Too Late To Turn Back Now?
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A lot are available on the 'Net. Try searching "midi files" or "free midi files". The quality is quite variable, of course.
search "midi files" "Too Late To Turn Back Now" gets hits for that specific song.
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There are two instances of the MIDI file brought into Mr. Henry's BIAB project.
The first instance, the key signature, tempo, a midi Style and all 16 channels are opened onto the Melody Track. The MIDI file needs to be opened onto the Melody Track in order to populate the Chord Chart.
A second instance of the MIDI file is dragged into the Chord Chart and each MIDI channel of the MIDI file is loaded into a discreet Utility Track that will load that channels MIDI data and patches.
This can be demonstrated by dragging a MIDI file onto the Chord Chart and either muting the Melody Track and the other six Legacy Tracks or Muting the Style. You can even mute the Style and the Melody Track that contains the 16 Channels. Either way, the MIDI data on the various Utility Tracks will play and sound exactly the same as if the Melody Track is played.
So, as Mr. Henry demonstrated, the RealStyle and RealTracks play the Chord Sheet in conjunction with the MIDI data of the Utility Tracks.
Henry's presentation is deceptively simple because this workflow is not actually doing what many would think it is. BIAB is not playing any of the midi from the midi file! What is happening here is BIAB is interpretting the midi file and coverting it to the Chord chart. Then he inserts several RTs into the slots and they play over the chords. All the original midi is muted. The only need for the midi file is to avoid the typing.
Kind of like a magic trick. Pretty simple once you know how to do it. But a good trick non the less.
First of all I would never write a comment like this. It's just flat out disrespectful. Also it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about !! There's no deception or trickery here. Have you ever tried it? Do you really think that a "RealTrack" is going to play that string line? That's why I don't post a lot in the forum. I find it pointless because all the "experts" like you who have no clue.
FWIW, I don't believe MusicStudent was accusing you of deception or trickery, or was intending to be disrespectful. I think it was more a recognition of how you have understood and explained a 'trick' within BiaB. I do agree that he misunderstood a part of the explanation, though.
I have always found your videos useful and helpful, and often commend them to people as an alternative view to PGM's own videos. In a great many ways, I prefer yours to theirs.
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So how do the real tracks follow the midi tracks? I get that we can now split the midi tracks onto 16 channels as per some of the older midi players. Am I right in thinking that the real tracks follow the chord charts that Band in a Box creates from the midi tracks? I was kind of blown away by the midi tracks adjusting to the new BIAB style. Thanks regardless.
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First of all I would never write a comment like this.
Apparently you missunderstood my comment. No disrespect intended. Likely I choose my words unclearly.
If you were really straight up you would acknowledge that you're wrong. The video shows MIDI tracks and RealTracks playing simultaneously. Also I have more than one song on my channel where I use both RealTracks and MIDI tracks.
FWIW, I don't believe MusicStudent was accusing you of deception or trickery, or was intending to be disrespectful. I think it was more a recognition of how you have understood and explained a 'trick' within BiaB. I do agree that he misunderstood a part of the explanation, though.
I have always found your videos useful and helpful, and often commend them to people as an alternative view to PGM's own videos. In a great many ways, I prefer yours to theirs.
Thanks Charlie, I am determined to remain completely respectful in all my communications. And I have respect for the effort and music that Henry posted.
Your answers above were exactly the points I was trying to make. I apparently did not do a good job in communicating this.
I have a long history of working with midi and RTs in BIAB and have fallen into likely every pitfall there is, including those I made myself. In my defense I can only say I may be a little over sensitive to this topic. I percieved that some of the details were being missed in Henry's video. However, I admit, no one asked my opinion and I should have just kept my mouth shut. I deleted my orignal post. Live and learn.
I agree it was likely a misunderstanding of words rather than intent. I consider you one of the top midi experts here on the forum and recall your tutorial regarding using midi channel 5 to communicate with a TC Helicon. You have a lot of knowledge to offer everyone on the forum.
First of all I would never write a comment like this.
Apparently you missunderstood my comment. No disrespect intended. Likely I choose my words unclearly.
Take care MusicStudent, I read your comments and you made a fair point - the HOW wasn't obvious, the magic of the software across platforms is "deceptive". Henry is very prickly, with a perceived slight or even the vaguest whiff of criticism seeing him become irate. "First of all I would never write a comment like this. It's just flat out disrespectful. Also it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about!!" NEVER seems to have a short life or H.C. has a skewed/myopic interpretation of unkindness.
"Disrespect" is a powerful and much misused word. Then again I'm prickly about the assumption that respect is automatic and doesn't require being earnt. Whilst I agree that a modicum of sensitivity is due all folk in the 1st instance, this cannot be advanced until folk demonstrate they give and earn "respect".
Henry has a great in depth understanding & practice with BIAB, he's very enthusiastic which is a fine selling point. When most folk are "in the zone" they move at their own pace and make unconscious assumptions about others' knowledge & experience. Folk who don't are usually trained teachers of some sort or other. I suspect a review by other heads, during editing and before publishing, is something we should all employ.
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Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
[quote=MusicStudent] a perceived slight or even the vaguest whiff of criticism
One of the difficulties is that old one of communication being 2/3 visual and text not showing the visual parts. It's alarmingly easy for the reader to perceive a different meaning to that intended by the writer. Even with a smiley emoticon, sometimes the emoticon is just seen as a 'false smile'.
I doubt there are any of us who don't see Henry's videos as a great contribution to BiaB.
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<< I read your comments and you made a fair point - the HOW wasn't obvious, the magic of the software across platforms is "deceptive" >>
'How' was explained step by step in the tutorial... Open midi - import the same midi file... How to do that was explained. Can we discuss your point to what is ambiguous to the instructions of 'how' to open and then import the same midi file?
OK, you almost got me going again. I actually did have a sincere and valid point I wanted to make regarding the video. But I am still stinging from my rebute, so I won't be contributing to this topic again. It was never meant as a personnal attack and should not have turned into one. No emoticon.
OK, you almost got me going again. I actually did have a sincere and valid point I wanted to make regarding the video. But I am still stinging from my rebute, so I won't be contributing to this topic again. It was never meant as a personnal attack and should not have turned into one. No emoticon.
You have every right and can benefit the forum by sharing your insight. Previous comments have been off-topic and violates Forum Rules. That said, this is an interesting topic and there are valid technical questions that solutions can be shared. Including your understanding and experience.
<< I read your comments and you made a fair point - the HOW wasn't obvious, the magic of the software across platforms is "deceptive" >>
'How' was explained step by step in the tutorial... Open midi - import the same midi file... How to do that was explained. Can we discuss your point to what is ambiguous to the instructions of 'how' to open and then import the same midi file?
I was, referring to the acquisition of a MIDI file of a song in the how, that was addressed in subsequent comments but not in the video. Finding a decent arrangement of the song in a MIDI track is a far longer process that isn't addressed. The reason and matching of playing the Latinesque Real Tracks over the MIDI isn't explained etc. There's a lot left as assumed knowledge mate, a lot. If that's all you have to make issue with Charlie then I'm fine with my comment.
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Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
I'm fine with your comment. In fact, I'm glad that you made it. Thanks for responding.
I think this tutorial is an alternative to a tutorial Mr. Henry made back in January that a subsequent BIAB upgrade corrupted the process he demonstrated in that earlier tutorial. There were two issues with the earlier tutorial, first, there's a bug that caused the midi data to both copy to utility tracks by midi channel and remain on the Melody Track and that caused moving/copying midi to fail. Second, His earlier tutorial moved the Midi channels one at a time from the Melody Track to individual Utility Tracks which was time consuming. This tutorial introduced a faster, more efficient method and also bypasses the bug. The end result of both tutorials was a mixture of midi and RealTracks. He did mention he was responding to many emails he received in regard to both the earlier tutorial and the published version of the song that was released prior to him making this tutorial.
I watched the earlier video, I'm no fool - I know there're things H.C. can offer, and learnt about the midi splitting thing which seems to be one of the aspects that was a problem, if I recall correctly. I was pleased to learn that piece of info even if it may be only temporarily useful.
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Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
I watched the earlier video, I'm no fool - I know there're things H.C. can offer, and learnt about the midi splitting thing which seems to be one of the aspects that was a problem, if I recall correctly. I was pleased to learn that piece of info even if it may be only temporarily useful.
I agree. It's a bit surprising there's been no questions to why two instances of the midi file were used in the project. It's due to how BIAB addresses differently opening a midi file to how BIAB addresses importing a midi file.
Opening a midi file automatically loads all the midi file channels onto the Melody Track and assigns sequencer. Opening a midi file also automatically analyzes the chords and populates the Chord Chart. Opening populates the title, disables the BIAB current style, sets the start/end bars, sets the key signature and tempo.
Importing a midi file separates the midi channels and loads each of the song's channels onto individual utility Tracks. Importing a midi does not do any of the tasks that the Opening process does. So in the tutorial technique demonstrated in this video, a midi file must be opened first and then imported to work because only importing offers the option to select whether to import into the current project or start a new project.
There was never a suggestion that this was going to be an in-depth training session, covering every minute aspect of BiaB music production, sourcing MIDI data or more. It was always meant to be what could be delivered in 10 minutes. Henry did exactly that.
And he didn't post it here to be critiqued or praised by us. He posted it on YouTube. And for all his efforts, he got jumped on, here.
Of course there would have had to be some assumptions made in the presentation that might require additional detail and analysis. The guy only demonstrated what he could show in 10 minutes.
Does anybody here really think that every possible detail of creating a complex and detailed cover could be provided in intimate detail in 10 minutes? Can anyone prove that this would be achievable?
Further discussion to request clarification of the methods would be far better than criticism because some part of the YouTube video wasn't obvious.
No confrontation intended. Let's please all take a reality check.
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There was never a suggestion that this was going to be an in-depth training session, covering every minute aspect of BiaB music production, sourcing MIDI data or more. It was always meant to be what could be delivered in 10 minutes. Henry did exactly that.
And he didn't post it here to be critiqued or praised by us. He posted it on YouTube. And for all his efforts, he got jumped on, here.
Of course there would have had to be some assumptions made in the presentation that might require additional detail and analysis. The guy only demonstrated what he could show in 10 minutes.
Does anybody here really think that every possible detail of creating a complex and detailed cover could be provided in intimate detail in 10 minutes? Can anyone prove that this would be achievable?
Further discussion to request clarification of the methods would be far better than criticism because some part of the YouTube video wasn't obvious.
No confrontation intended. Let's please all take a reality check.
Thanks "AudioTrack" for the kind explanation. I have since shut down the BIAB Tutorial portion of my channel. I had been contemplating this for a while because maintaining the channel had turned into a job (and I didn't want a job :-). However I have to be candid in that this last fiasco accelerated that decision so as of today all tutorials are no longer available to the public. Thanks again. Sincerely Henry
I often direct people to you videos rather than PGM's videos, because you present tasks in ways that are easy to understand and don't show all the minutiae and variations that PGM's videos have done, though they're improving that, I think.
A ten minute "how to do this" video was always going to leave stuff unclarified. If it hadn't, it would have been neither ten minutes, nor straight to the point.
IMHO, most of the observations in this thread have been just that -- observations -- not intended as criticisms.
I fully appreciate the "it's become a job" problem as I've been there many times.
I'll ask and hope you agree ... please restore the videos .. they are excellent and valued tutorials that I'm certain help many. And please, rather than quitting now, take a nice long sabbatical and think about that afterwards.
We really do very much appreciate what you've done and I'm absolutely certain that I'm not alone in feeling that. Thank you.
Gordon.
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Now nobody, including existing members, and newcomers, or anyone even outside of this forum including people searching for ideas on YouTube has a chance to experience the skill or the effort or can learn anything at all from that tutorial.
Let's reflect on how far we progressed and what was achieved: We started with something (not here but on a YouTube video), and some participants needed to contribute a lot of anti-sentiment, and, well, now we've all got nothing.
Great. Really, just great.
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Ah, the Autobahn...such a grand achievement...we should hail the administration that built it!
Look, it is decent video, & it has some issues, these were pointed out BUT Henry doesn't like any dissent from assumed omnipotence so, after insulting someone, he bit off his own nose to spite everyone's faces. Henry posted another video about BIAB some time back and I congratulated him on it but made some suggestions about the editing & script to make it even better...he became very upset and resorted to insults as is his way.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
Henry! Seriously??? I was planning to spend some time this weekend going through this video. I found it very interesting and could steer me in some new directions. Please consider allowing access again to us user wanting to acquire some new skills and try new directions. Would greatly appreciate it.
ALL TUTORIALS have been restored. I'll be taking a break for a while so I may not be very responsive to comments and questions but hopefully you will enjoy the tutorials and gain some practical knowledge. I will say that anything in my Tutorials are based on the way "I" do things. Of course there are always alternatives and if my Tutorials do not work for you that's ok. No harm done. You can always change the channel LOL
Now take that break. Go get some peace and unwind. Come back only if/when you're ready.
I'm absolutely certain you work very hard on those videos, you deserve a break. I know just how much stress there can be producing this stuff and answering questions. I follow an unrelated channel and calculated that the producer of it spends an average of an hour working on each minute of his videos. It's hard work.
What we all too easily forget is just how much of the iceberg we can't see.
I had a friend years ago who had a notice on her desk that read:
"After the rush is over I'm going to have a breakdown. I've worked for it, I deserve it, and nobody but nobody, is going to deprive me of it."
Don't risk a breakdown.
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ALL TUTORIALS have been restored. I'll be taking a break for a while so I may not be very responsive to comments and questions but hopefully you will enjoy the tutorials and gain some practical knowledge. I will say that anything in my Tutorials are based on the way "I" do things. Of course there are always alternatives and if my Tutorials do not work for you that's ok. No harm done. You can always change the channel LOL
I just landed on this thread. It seems the 10 minutes video on YouTube is no longer available.
Can someone please update this thread by describing the step by step with texts and screenshots?
I assume this video is about first open a MIDI, let BiaB figure out the chords, then insert the same MIDI to existing MGU, so MIDI and RealTracks can be played together?
How to do that? What's the purpose?
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I just landed on this thread. It seems the 10 minutes video on YouTube is no longer available.
Can someone please update this thread by describing the step by step with texts and screenshots?
I assume this video is about first open a MIDI, let BiaB figure out the chords, then insert the same MIDI to existing MGU, so MIDI and RealTracks can be played together?
How to do that? What's the purpose?
Yes, that's the basic concept. It's a way to create realistic cover songs combining a midi file and RealTracks. The midi channels are separated out from the Melody Track onto Utility Tracks so better synth sounds can be used to replace the default GM sound patches. If the default GM synth sounds are ok, there's no necessity to import and separate the Midi channels, use the Sequencer that's built into BIAB and mute unwanted Midi channels.
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