Could you please add a function that displays the notes contained in the chord while inputting the chord?
For example
C (1,3,5)
Am （6，1，3）
That is weird. Am is commonly spelled by its interval of 1, b3, 5 consistent with the root key - A, not the Key of C. Not sure what the value of this would be.
Could you please add a function that displays the notes contained in the chord while inputting the chord?
For example
C (1,3,5)
Am （6，1，3）
That is weird. Am is commonly spelled by its interal of 1, b3, 5 consistent with the root key - A, not the Key of C. Not sure what the value of this would be.
Dan, that is because you know music theory. My point is that data is already there in the chord builder window. But I can see the benefit for those whom don't know music theory. Although I would like to see PGM put more emphasis on more and better backing tracks I will give this a +1. But the display MUST be an option. YMMV
Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
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Yes. I want to enter a chord. There is a layer that shows the notes contained in this chord. This can be of great help to people who are not familiar with chords.
Yes. I want to enter a chord. There is a layer that shows the notes contained in this chord. This can be of great help to people who are not familiar with chords.
I appreciate your interest and enthusiasm, but I wonder are you asking if BiaB is to be a backing band, or a music teaching tool?
Do you propose that it should be an educational system so that you can learn exactly what individual notes that any chord might utilize?
There are probably many separate learning facilities available to learn music theory, and then use that knowledge to create backing music in BiaB.
Despite significant functionality, I have never envisaged that BiaB should fundamentally be expected to teach absolute music basic theory. I think there are a plethora of facilities available to deliver this basic level of music education.
What else have you explored to assist you with learning the note combinations that might make up a specific chord? Did you explore any other music theory? Tell us about your other explorations. What was successful, what was not, and what helped.
Keep being enthused with music. It's a fantastic way to be creative.
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Could you please add a function that displays the notes contained in the chord while inputting the chord?
For example
C (1,3,5)
Am （6，1，3）
That is weird. Am is commonly spelled by its interal of 1, b3, 5 consistent with the root key - A, not the Key of C. Not sure what the value of this would be.
Dan, that is because you know music theory. My point is that data is already there in the chord builder window. But I can see the benefit for those whom don't know music theory. Although I would like to see PGM put more emphasis on more and better backing tracks I will give this a +1. But the display MUST be an option. YMMV
I would not advise buying any music instruction software which describes an Am chord as a (6, 1, 3). The logic to describe these number is nonsense and a disservice to any aspiring musician.
Perhaps the OP just chose a bad example for what he is looking for. Otherwise, I am confident that this is not described in this manner anywhere in BIAB. Furthermore, what is shown in the BIAB Chord Builder is approppriate and correct. So lets leave it at that.
Could you please add a function that displays the notes contained in the chord while inputting the chord?
For example
C (1,3,5)
Am （6，1，3）
That is weird. Am is commonly spelled by its interal of 1, b3, 5 consistent with the root key - A, not the Key of C. Not sure what the value of this would be.
Dan, that is because you know music theory. My point is that data is already there in the chord builder window. But I can see the benefit for those whom don't know music theory. Although I would like to see PGM put more emphasis on more and better backing tracks I will give this a +1. But the display MUST be an option. YMMV
I would not advise buying any music instruction software which describes an Am chord as a (6, 1, 3). The logic to describe these number is nonsense and a disservice to any aspiring musician.
Perhaps the OP just chose a bad example for what he is looking for. Otherwise, I am confident that this is not described in this manner anywhere in BIAB. Furthermore, what is shown in the BIAB Chord Builder is approppriate and correct. So lets leave it at that.
I agree. I was assuming (I know!) that PGM would use the correct spelling of chords, thus Am would be 1-b3-5. Relative minors are never 6-1-3.
Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
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I agree. I was assuming (I know!) that PGM would use the correct spelling of chords, thus Am would be 1-b3-5. Relative minors are never 6-1-3.
I think I disagree with that, probably because I see a different context.
In the key of C, the Am chord is the minor sixth of C, so 6,1,3 (6m, vi). I agree entirely that in the relative minor key of Am the chord should be spelled 1,b3, 5 (1m, i).
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I agree. I was assuming (I know!) that PGM would use the correct spelling of chords, thus Am would be 1-b3-5. Relative minors are never 6-1-3.
I think I disagree with that, probably because I see a different context.
In the key of C, the Am chord is the minor sixth of C, so 6,1,3 (6m, vi). I agree entirely that in the relative minor key of Am the chord should be spelled 1,b3, 5 (1m, i).
I may be wrong but I have never seen an Am chord listed as 6-1-3. I have always seen it as 1-b3-5 regardless of the key signature. So in the key of C is the F chord labeled as 4-6-1? Are all chords labeled based on the key signature? I was taught that the chords name was based on the tonics note's scale, i.e. Am is based on the A scale, Daug is based on the D scale, etc.
I'm not trying to be a wise guy. I'm just trying to learn. Maybe there is another way to label chords that I don't know about.
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I agree. I was assuming (I know!) that PGM would use the correct spelling of chords, thus Am would be 1-b3-5. Relative minors are never 6-1-3.
I think I disagree with that, probably because I see a different context.
In the key of C, the Am chord is the minor sixth of C, so 6,1,3 (6m, vi). I agree entirely that in the relative minor key of Am the chord should be spelled 1,b3, 5 (1m, i).
I may be wrong but I have never seen an Am chord listed as 6-1-3. I have always seen it as 1-b3-5 regardless of the key signature. So in the key of C is the F chord labeled as 4-6-1? Are all chords labeled based on the key signature? I was taught that the chords name was based on the tonics note's scale, i.e. Am is based on the A scale, Daug is based on the D scale, etc.
I'm not trying to be a wise guy. I'm just trying to learn. Maybe there is another way to label chords that I don't know about.
Only in an on-line forum can a chord can be called anything or spelled in any way. In fact any musical concept or relationship can be descibed with any logic or context, no matter how convoluted, as long as someone will post it in a thread. So don't fall for it Mario, this is nonsense out in the real world.
I can see Gordon's point esp. when taken in context of the way the O/P is thinking about notes. Lets imagine that the song is in the key of C. The 6th is an A. Now the user finds a chord listed as A-minor. That user still uses the key signature as the note identifiers. They therefore identify Am as being notes: 6, 1, 3
(BTW: That's not how many/most of us think about chords, probably because we already know the chords and don't have to translate anything into "note numbers" to know how to play them)
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I can see Gordon's point esp. when taken in context of the way the O/P is thinking about notes. Lets imagine that the song is in the key of C. The 6th is an A. Now the user finds a chord listed as A-minor. That user still uses the key signature as the note identifiers. They therefore identify Am as being notes: 6, 1, 3
(BTW: That's not how many/most of us think about chords, probably because we already know the chords and don't have to translate anything into "note numbers" to know how to play them)
It is in all due respect that I respond to this AudioTrack.
It has been suggested to the O/P that he/she learn some music theory. They have resisted to do so. If they had done so they would have known how to number a minor chord. Instead of encouraging them in incorrect chord labeling lets help them understand that an Am chord is not 6-3-1 but 1-b3-5. All of the correct labeling of chords are in the chord builder window.
In my mind allowing them to say an Am is 6-3-1 is like a color blind person telling me the sky is green. It is preferable to correct them IMHO.
Again this is in all due respect and YMMV.
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I don't think you're wrong. But I do think this context is different. I certainly didn't mean any offence and I apologise if I appeared rude.
I think what SBM wants to see is the notes in the scale that will be played, not the structure of the chord.
If one thinks of the chord structure, then all minor triads will be (1,b3,5), which doesn't tell him what actual notes will play and I think that's what he wants. It's probably tricky anyway as we'll often play chords in inversions, and that simplistic numeric indication may not show that, or may confuse if it does show it. Musically we might also say something like "play a major triad on the third", or play rootless chords, which may be even more confusing.
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OMG, thank you Mario for saying that. You stated the point so much better than I could, or wanted to take the time to. And your timing was perfect, I was about to go off and my blood pressure doesn't need that. I am really surprized by how much this has aggravated me - not like me to get upset. I would like to think I am just passonate about this stuff, but the reality is I am just getting old and don't have time for nonsense!
Gordon, your point is well understood, but I hope you agree, you can't have it both ways, either one learns this properly or they continue to be confused and cause others to be confused.
I'm still learning this stuff and I consulted my personal music theory 3-ring binder (a collection of material I try to keep organized). Is this table always true?
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I'm still learning this stuff and I consulted my personal music theory 3-ring binder (a collection of material I try to keep organized). Is this table always true?
Gee, I hope so, or 60+ years of writing music is out the window for me.
I’ve tried to envision how calling Am 6 1 3 in the key of C could possibly be useful, and I just can’t come up with anything. I think I can come up with reasons it would be counter productive. But if someone out here gives a good reason to do this, then as Mario said, it would have to be an option, and not the default setting.
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Absolutely! Seems pretty simple to look at and becomes very powerful when you fully comprehend it!
Ok, let's drill a little bit deeper to where my knowledge gets thin. If you agree with this table: the 1 is A the b3 is B (because the 3 is C) and the 5 is E
So 1 - b3 - 5 for the Am chord is A - B - E
But this doesn't look right to me.
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