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PG would have to go the JUCE way to get a Linux version otherwise they would need another 6 months in a year to make the Linux version, so you would need a 18 month year, 24 months for iPad, 30 months for Android also...... Going JUCE will give iPad/Android as well all at the same time. If these run, Biab should run: The Top 4 DAWs for iPad Best DAW for Android It all just seems like a no brainer, I really can't see Biab lasting into the future how it is now without development of something new in parallel behind the scenes. After seeing Logic for iPad with a chord track and AI session musicians that play along to it, the writing is most definitely on the wall.
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Other companies have all the above apps for iOS/Android, is this flogging a dead horse as others keep telling me that PG should dare think of anything like that ? Should they try and string out another 10-20 years how it is currently ? They say PG has to split Win/Mac sales bi-annually as they could not handle the number of customers all buying in December ?? I don't know if other companies have this "problem" ? Is this a dead horse ? ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27960&filename=Biab-iPad.png)
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mcity.
nice graphics.
my only concerns re ipad are as follows..
..cost.
..even though the new ipads use the lovely M series processors can they handle some studios needs for high track and plugin counts ?
what i mean is if ipad can do it all who is gonna buy the very nice higher end macs and cheese graters ?
i would love to know what are the day to day song production and performance limitations of the new
ipads ? and where does this leave the mac mini ?
only pg can answer if its possible conceptually for them to make their apps run on ipads. viva la rb for ipad...lol.
happiness.
om
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As I have shown with all these iPad and Android apps they are doing the same thing as Biab would need to do.
It's not saying an ipad can do it all, you don't need a desktop, but you can perform Live with it or you can create up songs/ideas on the fly traveling on the train into London each day, then transfer the frozen songs from your m4a iPad/Android to your desktop Linux/Mac/Win with wav file RealTracks.
Look at the price of a new iPad compared to having to fork out for a new Ketron Live Arranger Keyboard $5000 or and iPad M4 $1000.
"only pg can answer if its possible conceptually for them to make their apps run on ipads." that's not rocket science that only PG can explain to us poor users, I have shown Reaper opening frozen wma/m4a/wav/flac/mp3 SGU files better than RealBand, the way is now implemented in the BBPlugin yet we are still waiting for fixes from 6 months ago. If we all had to wait for PG to do the right thing, make big leaps and initiate features available in other audio apps without a bit (lot) of pushing they would still be in the 90's. Don't just sit back and wait for the farmer to feed the chickens at xmas time and take whatever you are given. Don't sit back when the farmer says his time signatures are correct and the rest of the world is wrong.
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mcity.
i'm not disagreeing...you make fair comments.
ive looked closely at the ipad pro mainly because of the m series lovely cpu's. but it does have competition. for example some users on these forums have used and still use el cheapo win portable refurb lappies. which are no slouches and if chosen wisely one can get pretty powerfull processors and ssd's for 200 bucks or so.
my old refurb could do a ton of tracks.
in addition the market is flooded with off lease win refurbs so the user has lots of choice if one googles for example 'powerfull refurb win laptop with ssd and lots of ram'.
in summary i can see mac users getting an.ipad to sketch out song ideas...but i'm not sure win users are willing to pay 800 bucks extra to get a ipad pro over a cheap portable win refurb lappie.
crikey also on amazon one can see even new hold in ones hand mini pc's for under 200 bucks. they arent as powerfull as my 400 bucker ryzen 7 pc but im sure properly set up and optimised they will get the job done. lets not also forget that pc replacement parts are often dirt cheap. crikey i have a m2 ssd in an enclosure here that bb and rb reside on that cost just 60 bucks and bb 2024 gen times are a blink of an eye. so why should i buy a ipad pro for an extra 800 bucks ? much as i like the processor.
in summary yes your correct if pg had versions for ipad pro this would be successfull...but im not sure how much success...AND lets not forget apple refurb lappies can be had for cheap. just other day i saw a super nice mac lappie refurb for 300 bucks or so that only a few years back people were useing for music production.
in summary im trying to understand the cost benefit of going ipad pro given the lesser cost win and mac portable lappie options or even an under 200 bucks hold in the palm of your hand mini win pc of course properly optimised for music production with low dpc etc etc.
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iOS is what matters, not iPad vs pc.
Tablet/phone os and apps seem to be the future.
Biab should play in that world.
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They say PG has to split Win/Mac sales bi-annually as they could not handle the number of customers all buying in December ?[ I suspect that what they couldn't handle is the amount of support and bug-fixing they have to do on all those new features each year on the two platforms.
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im not disagreeing that bb should play in the tablet/phone/ios etc world..
but with a caveat..is that tech powerfull enough yet ?
my tablet certainly isnt...my wife just got a new fab phone she loves but i dont think its architecture is powerfull enough yet to handle complex music production tasks.
its certainly in the future once these devices get more powerfull..i just dont feel the time is right now.
if a product isnt capable of handling processor load and/or for example pg's large library of content i wonder if people will get disillusioned and go back to what they use now because of compromises that they would have to make.with maybe fewer features available.
ive seen this many times in the past...people jumping on the latest and greatest 'in' tech only to cast it aside out of frustration.
once in industry we tried at the behest of users to cram lots of capability into a device...the problem being we couldnt cram in everything users wanted...so users got frustrated.
in the same way IF pg are contemplating tablet/ios bb versions they have the same conundrum...how much can be done with current tech
to make users happy.
for example a mini cooper car is usefull but for only a limited number of people to get from a to b.
happiness.
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What it all shows above is major companies supporting iPad and Android DAW's. I would not buy one as I have no use really for it, BUT there is a massive market for them, why else would these companies create them. Was PG first out there, no, they only had the server apps where you had to have the bbserver running at home that the app connects to. This is the way I go, and I can even install Mac on Windows hardware with OpenCore, my mum was brought up in Kent during the war, so she is always going to secondhand shops looking for bargains, so that's where I get it from, maybe you too: I think to get a whole new user base would be those that use arranger keyboards, there would have to be a large market for those that want real instruments but don't want to pay $5000 for an arranger keyboard with real instruments. Real Time Arranging A decent laptop or something like this could be used in a live situation, look how small these are: HP ELITEDESK 800 G2 mini i5 6500T 8GB RAM 256GB SSD Win 10 Micro PC WIFI I got one as a spare PC for $100. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27896&filename=EliteDesk-800.jpg)
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I suspect that what they couldn't handle is the amount of support and bug-fixing they have to do on all those new features each year on the two platforms. LOL that'd be right 
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I've spent so much time here trying to improve things while other things seem to have just gone way ahead and beyond:
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I haven’t read all the comments so accept my apologies if this has already been discussed.
I play at a farmers market on Saturdays and use my iPad bluetoothed to my buskers speaker.
This is what I do: I get the BIAB sgu files like I want (in the right key and sometimes with a capo), put the lyrics in, save it as a video and then copy the video to my iPad. Works very well. My only gripes are that when I have a midi part (like a lead riff) then saving as a video does not include the midi track. Also, it exports to avi format which takes up a lot of space on my iPad so I normally convert the video to mp4 before copying to my iPad.
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