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I think that a marketing headline that stated: "heaps of improved features" would really get the attention of plenty of existing customers to upgrade, especially if those features are currently seen by them as show stoppers.
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I think we are honing in on this. Thanks, Rob.
By the way, when I first suggested a year of No New Features, I never said no new content. I always assumed the pace of producing new RealTracks was separate from programming code.
We who are here have no way of knowing what the total user base wants. The users who comment on this forum are likely to be a small subset of all users. However, we occasionally read comments that someone already has all the RealTracks and styles they need. How would they vote?
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We who are here have no way of knowing what the total user base wants. The users who comment on this forum are likely to be a small subset of all users. This is an excellent point!
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All of that is very true, however those who post are the only ones who get heard! Repair of long standing bugs and completion of existing features will benefit even the most distant user.
Here is what I see as viable. AI is here to stay! It will only get stronger. The things we are seeing in the EZ products and the stuff that’s coming out now with logic is the tip of the iceberg. Maybe some of it isn’t as far along as the progress of our RTs and RDs but as development goes on that type of technology or outpace it. BiaB is a marvel of coding. And surely will hold up against new challenges but it’s workflow needs serious improvement.
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#3 No new features, no realtracks. Just fix and improve what's already there. Get rid of all nested pop up windows and menus, make the "filter" actually filter and sort. Clean up the categories and organise the tracks properly. Clean the whole thing up and make it more intuitive. That's just a few from the top of my head. I don't care it still looks like something from 1995 as long as it isn't such a mess to use.
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> when pg does not care what you’re asking for?
Not true. Most users think that it's true, apparently. Why adding features with a haft [*****] function? fix / improve the function most users requested first before adding new one.
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#2 for me. Also really looking forward to VST3.
Actually I can add that I'd really like to see more MIDI styles and tracks/supertracks given that I have tons of excellent plugins and also often transfer what I do in BIAB to notation software at some point, which is greatly simplified by having good quality MIDI data as the starting point.
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"Why adding features with a haft [*****] function? fix / improve the function most users requested first before adding new one."
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"#2 for me. Also really looking forward to VST3."
I am patiently waiting for the VST3 support and hoping it will be done right way, with users able to Send and Receive MIDI data from one track to another through simple means with workflow in mind, not buried deeply in menus. If VST3 will not have these basic tools, that would be a "half [****] function" as Vincente noted.
P.S. I can also argue that VST3 needs a full implementation with all the bells and whistles (including graphic environment) it has to offer, but hoping for a bare minimum of MIDI Send<>Receive from track to track.
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> when pg does not care what you’re asking for?
Not true. This board itself speaks to PG Music’s dedication to its customers. How often nowadays does one find a civil well moderated board? For most companies you have little choice for an opportunity to express opinions other than product support, Facebook groups or Reddit. I think PG Music’s tolerance of the way some (but not all negativity) is expressed speaks volumes. Bud
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I will not be satisfied until all of Musocity's Ideas have been implemented and everything works as it should or removed from the Program.
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I would prefer fewer, not more, new "features."
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Rob, with the qualifications we have discussed, it does appear the people voting here strongly prefer an emphasis on fixes over new features.
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The White Paper project is public. One reason for doing it that way is that several of us began, several years ago and behind the scenes, to identify the items that should be prioritized for fixes. PG Music has our suggestions. Along with that, I raised the idea of 'no new features' for one year, while these fixes are worked on. (New RealTracks and styles would continue as usual). That suggestion was not well received. Perhaps now the winds are changing.
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That would be nice of course, but I think No. The premise of those who request choice #2 is that the continued introduction of new features each year, on top of a framework with identified deficiencies, only makes things worse. That's my opinion, but I believe it is shared by some others, many of whom have programming or systems analysis backgrounds as I do, and who have tested and used the program for decades as I have. I say these things with all possible love and appreciation for the program, and hope for its continued success.
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"Perhaps now the winds are changing"
I think that's because we got most of the big items, such as:
More tracks, Partial (near instant) regenerations, MTP Library, Track view and whole bunch of others.
Now, time is ripe to refine & consolidate those features, focusing on eliminating bugs, redundancy and tuning things for optimal standardized workflow.
P.S. I don't care what language BIAB is written in and dirt cheap storage makes footprint (size) also irrelevant. Main thing now is user experience. A bug (+workaround) free & intuitive workflow.
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I'm #2 as well. But every year I try to integrate a new feature into my workflow and every year I mostly fail. So in truth, probably just 1/2 of #2: new RealStyles. Those are the gift that keep on giving.
But PG isn't going to be able to do just #2, much less just 1/2 of #2. With technology evolving in the music creation world as rapidly as it is, they are going to have to evolve with it. Hopefully NOT by bolting on an AI module, though that seems most likely.
Haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if this is redundant.
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