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It sounds like the (new) option you’d want added to BiaB is “export the MIDI file stretched to 1.5x tempo , for compatibility with DAWS that don’t support triplet based compound time signatures”. Then a midi file exported from BiaB would be wrong, but wrong in the same way as the daw, and two wrongs would make a right. I’ll look into adding that! Thanx you very much for looking into adding that function, I appreciate that. Is there any way you can get 5/4 and 7/4 to work in a DAW? Those are other time signatures I occasionally use.
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I do appreciate all the discussion, however, none of this helps me add my 6/8 EZKeys piano chords to BIAB. The number of BARS in my EZKeys midi file just will not match up in BIAB, regardless of all this information. Of couse, could be a new problem with BIAB or could be operator error. Don't know. But I just wanted you to know.
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Mario,
Currently it should export the 5/4 in a MIDI file as a bar of 3/4, then 2/4 and then those repeated.
That should import into an existing DAW project set to 5/4, does it not?
As I mentioned, we are in future planning better 5/4 support, that won’t do it as 3+2, so that would export as 5/4 directly. But in the meantime, I hope that suggestion above works.
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> none of this helps me add my 6/8 EZKeys piano chords
You should add your EZkeys chords to your DAW project in 4/4, using the menu options from the screenshots that Dave posted.
Then you’ll never get into the time signature mess of 6/8 in the first place, as you’ll always be in 4/4. The song you sent me was a 4/4 song anyway. Just tap your foot along with it and you’ll see what I mean, Just because someone calls a pattern 6/8 doesn’t mean you need to change the time signature of your DAW to 6/8, especially since your DAW doesn’t support triplet (compound) time signatures, and forces you to change the tempo by a factor of 1.5x
If I was summarizing this in a one-liner it would read…
In your DAW… Forget 12/8 and 6/8… Stay in 4/4 !
If that one-liner isn’t clear, I’ll re-paste what I said above which elaborates the point…
“ many DAWS don’t support triplet (“compound) based n/8 time signatures, so they force the triplets into two 8th notes per beat instead of three, which becomes very confusing. The tempo becomes 1.5x faster for example, so that’s 75 instead of the correct tempo of 50 bpm. All these problems go away if you use the n/4 time signature equivalent of the n/8 time signature e.g. use 4/4 instead of 12/8”
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> .........................................
It sounds like the (new) option you’d want added to BiaB is “export the MIDI file stretched to 1.5x tempo , for compatibility with DAWS that don’t support triplet based compound time signatures”. Then a midi file exported from BiaB would be wrong, but wrong in the same way as the daw, and two wrongs would make a right. I’ll look into adding that! Thanx you very much for looking into adding that function, I appreciate that. Is there any way you can get 5/4 and 7/4 to work in a DAW? Those are other time signatures I occasionally use. Most DAWs can handle this. What are you using?
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Mario,
Currently it should export the 5/4 in a MIDI file as a bar of 3/4, then 2/4 and then those repeated.
That should import into an existing DAW project set to 5/4, does it not?
As I mentioned, we are in future planning better 5/4 support, that won’t do it as 3+2, so that would export as 5/4 directly. But in the meantime, I hope that suggestion above works. Thanx Peter, I appreciate your understanding of my issues.
Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
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Most DAWs can handle this. What are you using? Studio One Pro and I think it can do that. I'll have to check later.
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Thanx you very much for looking into adding that function, I appreciate that.
Is there any way you can get 5/4 and 7/4 to work in a DAW? Those are other time signatures I occasionally use. I apologize if this is a slight diversion from the thrust of this thread. But Mario, when posting a song in the Showcase with an "odd" time signature (odd for me is anything other than 4/4 or 3/4) would you mind to point out what time sig you used? This might help mere mortal amatuers like me to grasp this subject 
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> none of this helps me add my 6/8 EZKeys piano chords
You should add your EZkeys chords to your DAW project in 4/4, using the menu options from the screenshots that Dave posted.
Then you’ll never get into the time signature mess of 6/8 in the first place, as you’ll always be in 4/4. The song you sent me was a 4/4 song anyway. Just tap your foot along with it and you’ll see what I mean, Just because someone calls a pattern 6/8 doesn’t mean you need to change the time signature of your DAW to 6/8, especially since your DAW doesn’t support triplet (compound) time signatures, and forces you to change the tempo by a factor of 1.5x
If I was summarizing this in a one-liner it would read…
In your DAW… Forget 12/8 and 6/8… Stay in 4/4 !
If that one-liner isn’t clear, I’ll re-paste what I said above which elaborates the point…
“ many DAWS don’t support triplet (“compound) based n/8 time signatures, so they force the triplets into two 8th notes per beat instead of three, which becomes very confusing. The tempo becomes 1.5x faster for example, so that’s 75 instead of the correct tempo of 50 bpm. All these problems go away if you use the n/4 time signature equivalent of the n/8 time signature e.g. use 4/4 instead of 12/8” Success, well at least the roadblock has been removed. Setting EZK2 to 4/4 I exported the midi bars to desktop, then I input them in BIAB at 4/4 and this time - the total number of bars matched up. And the 6/8 "sound" is still present. So all my chords are now in BIAB. Now I immedialty can hear with Tempo set at 90 BPM in both EZK and BIAB, BIAB is going faster... So I change that to 60 BPM (2/3's)and now they play in unison. That is Good News. But I see a downside. All my visible part markers in EZKeys/DAW no longer line up with the music. Down beat for start of verse is now Bar 8, Beat 3 instead of Bar 11 Beat 1. But I think I can live with that or at least I can now try since I will soon be bringing content over from BIAB. I will let you know how it goes.
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..BUT the BiaB track at the same tempo and at 6/8 does not match the others, thus making it useless.
This is very important to me as virtually all of my songs start in BiaB and are imported into Studio One and other tracks are added to it. WTF can't be understood, that says it all. PG is stuck in it's time warp and technology warp. It was the same deal with users wanting 64bit with PG BUT BUT BUT fighting all the way to hang on to 32bit with J Bridge. Go back and look at the fricken forums with PG fighting this like crazy that we don't need 64bit. JUST LET GO AND DO THE RIGHT FRICKEN THING. You waste so much time with this stupid 6 months Win 6 months Mac, total craziness ! How the hell is the Plugin going to match existing DAW recorded sessions ?????? I posted so many posts in the Plugin forum showing time signature issue and how I fitted them with UserTracks, BUT what happens ? all the PG staff that have been brain washed get in on the protectionism, aren't you allowed to think for yourselves ? It's the most ridiculous thing that I have spent so much time to force PG to do normal things that other developers just do. I have donated so much of my time and life doing this, I must be a right Walley to keep doing it ! In other forums and beta testing they do what is suggested and they is a wonderful flow, the creativity goes somewhere. You have fricken Reaper now playing the PG compressed formats because they listened to common sense and just implemented things without years and years of resistance fighting. "THE WRITING IS ON THE FRICKEN WALL, WAKE UP OUT OF THE FRICKEN TIME WARP" I saw this when I opened youtube, must be a sign how I feel, says it all: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28003&filename=So-Much-Effort.png)
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Is it a Mission Impossible ? maybe forget getting blood out of a stone, maybe that's why I say concentrate on the Plugin, get rid of the old BBW4 with all these limitations that have been brought over and start anew. Mission_Impossible.mid The DAW will handle an impossible mission but it's out in Biab. I remember Mission Impossible from when I was a kid, they always accomplished the mission ! Can PG do this with the Plugin ? or is it another dead horse flogging that will drag out ad infinitum ? ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27974&filename=Miss-Imposs.png) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27975&filename=Miss-Imposs-Biab-Reaper.png)
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Is that actual writing on that wall ? No longer using it as I have sold off the Mac and going fully iOS with the new iPad and Logic Pro. Will keep the Sufrace pro and my Windows BIAB drive just in case I need it in the future but the Mac version Audiophile is available. $650 AUD (that's ab out $400 USD) - open to small negotiation. Will post anywhere in the World at buyer cost.
Please contact via PM if interested. And can we keep the PMs directly on topic please...no asking how I am doing anything else or plans or anything like that - PMs only about purchase enquiries, thank you In Reaper I can generate up userstracks for any existing real time signatures, any number of bars, I can generate up RealDrums in Reaper for any number of bars. I'm sure Logic with AI instruments and chord track can do the same, in an iPad also.
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WTF can't be understood, that says it all.
PG is stuck in it's time warp and technology warp . . .
JUST LET GO AND DO THE RIGHT FRICKEN THING. . .
"THE WRITING IS ON THE FRICKEN WALL, WAKE UP OUT OF THE FRICKEN TIME WARP" Please, let's all be cordial, civil and professional.
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Please, let Biab/Plugin be professional. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/images/icons/default_dark/lightbulb.gif)
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I will let you know how it goes. Just wanted to close this loop. Today I removed all BIAB tracks from my 6/8 project. It was a very interesting and educational exercise but, got to the point where the music was suffering due to the effort. The song must go on. As I said before, I am not saying that introducing BIAB 4/4 tracks into my 6/8 project in Reaper can't be done, I am only saying that I was not able to do it. Carry on all.
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I am only saying that I was not able to do it. ... which is, after all, the nub of the matter. Just because it can be done, doesn't necessarily mean it's an appropriate solution.
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I am only saying that I was not able to do it. ... which is, after all, the nub of the matter. Just because it can be done, doesn't necessarily mean it's an appropriate solution. I agree.
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