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Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe DrDan #811601 05/27/24 10:57 PM Off-Topic
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shlind Journeyman S Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 300	Thanks, today it worked fine to buy IRON 2 for 19 EUR I did not even have to put in the code. (I think the reduced price came up in step 2). (I also tried last night and put in the code but I did not get this price then).

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe shlind #811616 05/28/24 04:50 AM Off-Topic
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floyd jane Veteran Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 11,917 Florida	Originally Posted by JohnJohnJohn Hey Floyd, I went back to Plugin Boutique to try again and...DANG, this time it worked so now I have IRON 2, also for $19! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! Originally Posted by JohnJohnJohn Oh, and Floyd, you were right about subsequent purchases! The download and activation of IRON 2 was automatic and seamless! Originally Posted by shlind Thanks, today it worked fine to buy IRON 2 for 19 EUR I did not even have to put in the code. (I think the reduced price came up in step 2). (I also tried last night and put in the code but I did not get this price then). Here's something to make your head spin - and your wallet a little lighter... https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/81-Bundles/58-Instrument-Bundles/12259-UJAM-Virtual-Band-Bundle-Exclusive- This gives you SPARKLE 2 - WAY more useful than IRON2 imo - in my first Quick test found 5 AMBER2 tracks (the "demo" from an above post) - but I found 11 Sparkle tracks that worked (for the sound I was after at the time). ROYAL 2 - their "session" bass player (I want that!). Rowdy 2 is not that useful to me because it is Very busy. BUT - just as easy to work with as the others (similar interface). And a nice, even Bass sound. and SOLID 2 - a drummer. I haven't looked at these because I have already have more drum choices than I know what to do with (and I think BIAB is THE BEST Drum Machine you can buy) ALL FOR $59 - so that is $20 apiece. 150+ Songs produced using BIAB RealTracks And 50 more... and some more...

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe DrDan #811635 05/28/24 08:09 AM Off-Topic
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bloc-head Expert Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,322 Southeast USA	Just watched the above "Solid" video... Where are the cymbals? Bandcamp Soundcloud Win-11; BiaB-2024-latest Beta; Cakewalk; Melodyne-5; Scaler 2; NI Komplete: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe bloc-head #811640 05/28/24 08:56 AM Off-Topic
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dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 6,941 Sacramento, California	Originally Posted by bloc-head Just watched the above "Solid" video... Where are the cymbals? Listed on the GUI: C#2 - Crash 1 D#2 - Ride F2 - Ride Bell F#2 - Hi Hat A2 - Crash 2 Here's a link to the manual. -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe dcuny #811642 05/28/24 09:07 AM Off-Topic
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floyd jane Veteran Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 11,917 Florida	Originally Posted by dcuny Originally Posted by bloc-head Just watched the above "Solid" video... Where are the cymbals? Listed on the GUI: C#2 - Crash 1 D#2 - Ride F2 - Ride Bell F#2 - Hi Hat A2 - Crash 2 Here's a link to the manual. The nice thing about those crash cymbals is that they respond very nicely to the velocity of the keystroke. You can get a soft gentle crash to a honker. 150+ Songs produced using BIAB RealTracks And 50 more... and some more...

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe DrDan #811645 05/28/24 03:24 PM Off-Topic
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shlind Journeyman S Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 300	Thanks, I just bought the 3 piece boundle.

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe shlind #811652 05/28/24 04:21 PM Off-Topic
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bloc-head Expert Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,322 Southeast USA	Originally Posted by shlind Thanks, I just bought the 3 piece boundle. How many computers are the software licenses good for ? Last edited by bloc-head; 05/28/24 04:26 PM. Bandcamp Soundcloud Win-11; BiaB-2024-latest Beta; Cakewalk; Melodyne-5; Scaler 2; NI Komplete: Focusrite Scarlett 18i20

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe DrDan #811653 05/28/24 04:25 PM Off-Topic
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floyd jane Veteran Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 11,917 Florida	From their website: A UJAM plugin license allows you to authorise and activate your products on all your machines. It also allows multiple users on a single PC, but it does not license for multiple users on multiple computers. 150+ Songs produced using BIAB RealTracks And 50 more... and some more...

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe floyd jane #811660 05/28/24 06:02 PM Off-Topic
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 21,532 Hamlin NY	Thanx Floyd for this update. I just received all three. Inflation is so bad that CEOs are now playing miniature golf! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe MarioD #811669 05/28/24 10:22 PM Off-Topic
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musocity Veteran Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,651	Now the UJAM Plugins are a self-contained code not needing a bridging app running in the background ? They just play prerecorded chord, bass or drum sections from the source files ? If so why on earth is the BBPlugin not doing the same thing ? I paid for these UJAM Plugins and they all just work without issue or bugs. Anyone had any problems with them ? https://stash.reaper.fm/u/ReaTrak (Scripts for Biab Reaper) Open SGU in Reaper Instantly

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe musocity #811671 05/28/24 11:02 PM Off-Topic
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dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 6,941 Sacramento, California	Originally Posted by musocity Now the UJAM Plugins are a self-contained code not needing a bridging app running in the background? The UJAM plugins are are self-contained code using the VSTi protocol. A "bridging app" like jBridge is only needed if you are trying to run a 32 bit VSTi on a 64 bit machine. Since UJAM plugins are already 64 bit, they run on 64 bit machines without the need for something like jBridge. Quote They just play prerecorded chord, bass or drum sections from the source files? No, UJAM instruments play sampled notes, not loops. Quote If so why on earth is the BBPlugin not doing the same thing? I'm not sure what you're asking. BBPlugin is doing the same thing, in that it's running as a 64 bit VSTi plugin in your DAW. BiaB RealTracks work by playing prerecorded audio to match chords. UJAM VSTis work by playing prerecorded notes. It has MIDI patterns that can be selected via MIDI notes, and a chord recognizer function that's also triggered by MIDI notes. It's akin BiaB's MIDI tracks. Quote I paid for these UJAM Plugins and they all just work without issue or bugs. As they should. So do most VSTis. I don't understand why this would come as a surprise. -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe dcuny #811679 05/29/24 01:49 AM Off-Topic
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musocity Veteran Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,651	There are 2 modes prerecorded phrases and a sample/note mode, both NI and UJAM never had this feature until after I was suggesting this for PG to do "Playable RealTracks" in the forum, but they were slow to move and the other companies did it first, same deal with the Live Arranger, I tried for ages to get PG to do this by showing actual working examples and I said a keyboard will be released soon if you don't move, and sure enough the Ketron Live Arranger was released with RealTracks and RealDrums. The bridge app is BBW4.exe that the Plugin controls in the background. "As they should. So do most VSTis. I don't understand why this would come as a surprise." Have you tried the BBPlugin ? https://stash.reaper.fm/u/ReaTrak (Scripts for Biab Reaper) Open SGU in Reaper Instantly

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe musocity #811726 05/29/24 09:56 AM Off-Topic
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dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 6,941 Sacramento, California	Originally Posted by musocity There are 2 modes prerecorded phrases and a sample/note mode, both NI and UJAM never had this feature... By "prerecorded phrases", you mean prerecorded MIDI patterns. That's something that BiaB has always had. Quote .. until after I was suggesting this for PG to do "Playable RealTracks" in the forum, but they were slow to move and the other companies did it first... This is apples and oranges. UJAM works like a traditional ROMpler - the recorded samples are single notes. Altering a note requires selecting a different sample. RealTracks are phrases. Altering a note in a phrase requires knowing the pitch and duration of a specific note in a phrase, and then pitch and time stretching in a way that doesn't disturb the rest of the phrase. This can be done, but it's akin to using Melodyne. Plus, it only works with monophonic instruments, and pitch shifting only works about a minor third up or down, after which it starts to sound weird. So what you can do is limited. What most people are asking for when they want "playable RealTracks" is the ability to specify in MIDI notation the sound they want, and then have playback with all the nuance of an actual instrument. That's not a trivial thing to accomplish. There are sample libraries that do exactly that, such as the ones sold by Straight Ahead Samples. However, these require far more extensive samples than are available in RealTracks. But it's not just the notes that give RealTracks their realism, but the articulations and musical ideas. These come "for free" when using phrases. But when building these from scratch, these articulations (bends, slides, vibrato, staccato, etc.) all have to be specified. Without that, it's only a slight improvement over using MIDI with sampled instruments. I'm not sure how feasible it is at this point in time. Quote ...and sure enough the Ketron Live Arranger was released with RealTracks and RealDrums. The idea of using live phrases isn't novel. RealTracks are basically automated Acid loops. Acid loops were released back in 1998, and RealTracks in 2007. I don't see how Keytron Live Audio tracks are that different from RealTracks. And you can't adjust the pitch of individual notes in Keytron Live Audio tracks, either. Quote The bridge app is BBW4.exe that the Plugin controls in the background. BiaB is much more complex that a typical VSTi such as those by UJAM. -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe dcuny #811757 05/29/24 03:24 PM Off-Topic
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musocity Veteran Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,651	This file here is not recorded midi patterns, you don't have 6+GB of just recorded single notes, version 1 GB was not that big as there was no sample set with it to allow single notes: The first UJAM never had a sample set as I have mentioned, they were actual real playing as stated on their website "phrases", then the sample set was added to the next version. Midi drag n drop phrases were also added in the next version to give the same notes as the audio phrases. This is what sets them apart from EZDrummer, EZBass or EZKeys midi phrases that trigger sample notes. "BiaB is much more complex that a typical VSTi such as those by UJAM." Why are you using this UJAM VST, why are you creating tracks with different phrases playing or single notes ? I thought you could only do that in a complexed Biab exe ? I made sample set with slides, vibrato etc... PG just made simple SFZ's for their RealTracks. I suggested to have the same guitar each time recorded in Direct Input to allow the same sample set to be used rather than have so many different SFZ's for each different sounding guitar, you could that have one decent sampler with articulations. Where have you guys been ? I have been posting all this stuff for years in the forum, showing working examples of it all. https://stash.reaper.fm/u/ReaTrak (Scripts for Biab Reaper) Open SGU in Reaper Instantly

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe musocity #811764 05/29/24 04:21 PM Off-Topic
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dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 6,941 Sacramento, California	Originally Posted by musocity This file here is not recorded midi patterns, you don't have 6+GB of just recorded single notes, version 1 GB was not that big as there was no sample set with it to allow single notes UJAM doesn't really say what is in that large binary file. Since the UJAM guitars allow different voicing of chords, I doubt that they've sampled all the possible chords with all the possible voicings. I certainly wouldn't. They have sampled notes at different velocities and articulations (upstroke, downstroke, picked, muted). Quote Why are you using this UJAM VST, why are you creating tracks with different phrases playing or single notes? For the same reason I use any other VSTi - if I can't do something in BiaB, I'll find another solution. Quote I made sample set with slides, vibrato etc... PG just made simple SFZ's for their RealTracks. How are they .sfz files? The .bt1 files look like binary files, although I've never tried to decode them. The audio files are are .wma or .wav files. Quote I suggested to have the same guitar each time recorded in Direct Input to allow the same sample set to be used rather than have so many different SFZ's for each different sounding guitar, you could that have one decent sampler with articulations. Sure, it would be useful to have sampled notes of instruments in parallel with the RealTracks of the same instruments. -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe dcuny #811769 05/29/24 06:25 PM Off-Topic
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musocity Veteran Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,651	"Since the UJAM guitars allow different voicing of chords, I doubt that they've sampled all the possible chords with all the possible voicings. I certainly wouldn't." The chord types recorded are limited to these else it would allow all chords: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=400763#Post400763 Look at Silk v1 size without the sample set (phrases only): As I said I can create a VST instrument from each RealTrack/RealDrum that will work the same way UJAM works, but why do I have to do this, why can't PG do it ? I already uploaded some sfz examples using the wma source files that worked the same way. https://stash.reaper.fm/u/ReaTrak (Scripts for Biab Reaper) Open SGU in Reaper Instantly

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe musocity #811776 05/29/24 11:42 PM Off-Topic
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dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 6,941 Sacramento, California	Originally Posted by musocity The chord types recorded are limited to these else it would allow all chords... Thanks for the clarification. For some reason I thought it allowed inversions, but it appears I confused that with the NI Session Guitar. Quote As I said I can create a VST instrument from each RealTrack/RealDrum that will work the same way UJAM works, but why do I have to do this, why can't PG do it ? I already uploaded some sfz examples using the wma source files that worked the same way. I would assume it's because any added complexity/feature to BiaB needs to be justified. Sure, there are plenty of things that BiaB can do, but should it? In order for this to work within BiaB, it would need a new notation interface, an expansion of the file format to accommodate the notation, and a file for holding the samples that are pulled from the audio files, some way of indicating the a RealTrack had and editable music notation. Would each sample library need samples of all possible chords? What would the duration of the chord be? The new addition would have to be worth the multitude of changes to BiaB, and worth more than the features that won't be done because that time is spent on these particular features. -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe dcuny #811791 05/30/24 05:50 AM Off-Topic
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musocity Veteran Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,651	Here's a simple example Does Anyone Know How to Use SFZ Files ? If you edit the sfz files in notepad you will see how it works. Sforzando-Drums-Guitar.mp4 https://stash.reaper.fm/u/ReaTrak (Scripts for Biab Reaper) Open SGU in Reaper Instantly

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe musocity #811803 05/30/24 08:55 AM Off-Topic
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dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 6,941 Sacramento, California	Originally Posted by musocity Here's a simple example Does Anyone Know How to Use SFZ Files ? I built .sfz instruments before, including drumkits where hits to hi-hat mutes the other hi-hat samples, as well as multi-velocity instruments. Easy-peasy to write a program to generate the .sfz if you've got the samples logically named. But I'm having trouble following your train of thought here. Are you suggesting that PGMusic include .sfz instruments with RealTracks, or what? Personally, there are already so many good VSTis that I'd prefer that BiaB focus on what other programs don't do, and not add features that I can already get elsewhere. Most of the surgical editing of my songs happens in the DAW, not BiaB. But maybe that's just me. -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Re: NI Session Guitarist Acostic Sunburst Deluxe dcuny #811812 05/30/24 10:42 AM Off-Topic
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musocity Veteran Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,651	Just as the Sforzando VST is playing back the wma source file chord section direct so can the BBPlugin rather than having to decompress the wma into RAM then render to wav file. This will also allow it to be used as a Live Arranger the same way I can use UJAM as a Live Arranger by sending my keyboard input to it. Current way the Plugin works: How the Plugin needs to works, self-contained crossplatform Plugin/Plugin Standalone: https://stash.reaper.fm/u/ReaTrak (Scripts for Biab Reaper) Open SGU in Reaper Instantly

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