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Drum Stems can't be heard on new song [PG: bug reported] #811954 06/01/24 03:03 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP dRoNe13 Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 67 Manchester, England	Hi, sorry if this is posted in the wrong place. I've been having a problem with drum stems since I upgraded to Biab 2024. I can load my old songs which I made in Biab 2022 and the stems work flawlessly, but the drum stems cannot be heard with this new song I'm working on. When I click on the 'Tracks' tab and where the individual drums should be (kick, snare, etc) there are no audio waveforms, just blank spaces. I've checked all the directories for the real tracks, rebuilt and verified with no errors. The problem persists no matter which real drums with stems I choose The mix of the drums works fine, but I'll desperately need the stems by the time I move the song to Cubase. I've tried going back to factory default with the settings, I re-installed the software and the packs, but still the same problem. This is a real head-scratcher, I've been trying to solve this for nearly a week. Any help is much appreciated, thank you. Here's the .SGU file: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/qnup39u7vd72a4blvl3ng/Running-Through-The-Streets.SGU?rlkey=yr3nz4hcojs7xyvjlyhdtzn57&st=jkgnn5j5&dl=0 ..................................................... Windows 10, Biab 2024 build 1111 Last edited by Simon - PG Music; 07/30/24 04:55 PM.

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song justanoldmuso #811956 06/01/24 04:28 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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justanoldmuso Veteran J Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 2,961	ive had some funky stuff occur in drum picker. ASSUMING YOUR REAL DRUMS PICK HAS STEMS... ..uncheck all stems box. ..tick stems you want ..generate n play. above works here..ive found in rd picker its a tad funky...n fiddly. gotta experiment with settings. PS I NEVER USE VANILLA FILE SAVE ..I ALWAYS SAVE SPECIAL... PATCHES AND HARMONY...best practice ive found. hth..now im off cos i smell my wifes big english breakfast. i once had wild times in manchester....lol. om 🇨🇦🇨🇦 🇬🇧🇬🇧 Last edited by justanoldmuso; 06/01/24 04:37 AM. my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb.)

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song dRoNe13 #811961 06/01/24 05:30 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP dRoNe13 Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 67 Manchester, England	This is my reply to the West Ham fan, whose post was deleted for some reason "..so your saying in the fab new bb tracks view you dont see the stem waveforms ?" Yes. "..have you checked bringing up the style in the picker and seeing what stems are ticked ?" I have all the Stems boxes checked. "..as a test start a new song then enter a few chords in chord sheet" I did this and chose the same kit as I use in the song, I also chose a random drum kit with stems and everything works as it should with all the individual drum tracks playing. I can also see the waveforms in the 'Tracks' tab. So it looks like the problem is exclusive to my song. "a tip ..when i save an sgu i never use vanilla save...i ALWAYS save special patches and harmony cos ive been caught out in the past with vanilla save" Thanks for the tip, I'll keep that in mind. I used to watch the footie religiously. Back in the day, I was a Leeds United fan. These days I can take it or leave it. However, I sometimes like to go to the pub to watch England play. Good luck with West Ham, they may need it😄 Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) BIAB Mixer Window.jpg (313 KB, 210 downloads) BIAB Style Picker.jpg (300.65 KB, 209 downloads) BIAB, RealDrums Picker.jpg (294.13 KB, 209 downloads)

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song justanoldmuso #811962 06/01/24 05:32 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP dRoNe13 Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 67 Manchester, England	I'll try again, thanks

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song justanoldmuso #811963 06/01/24 05:39 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP dRoNe13 Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 67 Manchester, England	Still no joy, no sound coming from the stems. I have to admit, I've had a few wild times over here myself Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) BIAB, Tracks window.jpg (145.94 KB, 208 downloads)

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song dRoNe13 #811968 06/01/24 06:54 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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justanoldmuso Veteran J Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 2,961	on that mopey style it uses a wes little rd mallets. this rd shows no stems on my system for wes. re your pics im a tad vision impaired even with my fab eye surgery..have you subbed the wes little rd with another per your graph ic..americana ?? what style and rd are you useing ?? not mopey n not wes ?? once you confirm style and rd ill do a test. om Last edited by justanoldmuso; 06/01/24 07:02 AM. my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb.)

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song justanoldmuso #811970 06/01/24 07:21 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP dRoNe13 Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 67 Manchester, England	"re your pics im a tad vision impaired even with my fab eye surgery..have you subbed the wes little rd with another per your graph ic..americana ??" Yes I did, I think the original Realdrum kit was called Cajon or something like that, but because it had no stems, I changed it to: Americana16thsBrushSyncFred

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song justanoldmuso #811971 06/01/24 07:29 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP dRoNe13 Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 67 Manchester, England	I started a fresh song and copied all the chords over from the old version. I then loaded all the realtracks\realdrums. It all works. So I imagine it will work when you do it from your end.

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song dRoNe13 #811972 06/01/24 07:30 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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justanoldmuso Veteran J Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 2,961	yes wes little no stems. your useing EXCLINT style not mopey right ?? your graphic showed also mopey hilited. ok re americana rd stems work here BUT 2 toms are just a thick line... other stems ok. I see waveform. btw sometime read my realband and drum tricks threads in tips forum. in realband you can have a slew of drum tracks like allusions of two drummers plsying n drum solos etc etc 256 tracks p!us you can comp multiple drum gens sections into a final drum track if you wish. ok i see its now working for you right ? i bet man u are partying lol. hth. om 🇨🇦🇨🇦 🇬🇧🇬🇧 Last edited by justanoldmuso; 06/01/24 07:41 AM. my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb.)

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song justanoldmuso #811974 06/01/24 07:44 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP dRoNe13 Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 67 Manchester, England	You're right, it's the same here, the Toms are just showing a blank line in the Tracks tab, even on the fresh song I started. I didn't notice before. "your useing ECLINT style not mopey right ?? your graphic showed also mpey hilited." Sorry, I'm a bit thick, not sure what ECLINT & mpey is.

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song dRoNe13 #811975 06/01/24 07:51 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,716 Wauconda	Here is the "tracks view" for your song. Dispite the fact that the mixer indicates you have drum stems, there are no audio files on those Utility tracks. I am afraid I have simply "Confirmed" exactly what you have said. "Drums Stems can't be heard". Let me keep on looking a little deeper... Final Tour - Not with a Bang but with a wimper! Ended.

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song DrDan #811976 06/01/24 07:59 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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justanoldmuso Veteran J Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 2,961	your pic for stylepicker showed EXCLINT hilited also fainter Mopey. what style are you useing ?? cos drdan shows yet a different style. keep rocking om my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb.)

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song dRoNe13 #811984 06/01/24 08:52 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,716 Wauconda	I have put this into the Bug Report forum to try and escalate it to the developers. My guess is this is a proplem which has been seen in the past. Final Tour - Not with a Bang but with a wimper! Ended.

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song justanoldmuso #811985 06/01/24 08:54 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP dRoNe13 Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 67 Manchester, England	The original style I chose was 'SET4th.STY' But I've replaced most of the Realtracks and the Drums. Rather than doing that in the future, I think I'll have a go at creating a user-style from scratch. Time to start tidying up my workflow I always seem to have problems when I start replacing the instruments of a set style. "btw sometime read my realband and drum tricks threads in tips forum. in realband you can have a slew of drum tracks like allusions of two drummers plsying n drum solos etc etc 256 tracks p!us you can comp multiple drum gens sections into a final drum track if you wish." After my tea, I'll browse through your posts, thanks.

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song DrDan #811986 06/01/24 08:57 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP dRoNe13 Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 67 Manchester, England	Thank you good people for taking the time to help me out, much appreciated.

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song dRoNe13 #811990 06/01/24 10:33 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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justanoldmuso Veteran J Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 2,961	dr. heres a trick to try...lets say the style is country. and your doing a country song...dont just limit yourself to country real drums. there are lots of drum sounds in other music genres you might be able to use...or slice n dice in the huge pg content...heres a method to try...once you arranged chords in chord sheet. 1..open rd picker with ALL drums for all styles showing. 2..make sure in alphabetical order. 3..load each rd irrespective of style. 4..when you find a drum sound that floats your boat isolate.. drop the drum track from tracks view into realband and mute. continue in this fashion until youve tried all rd's. before you ask yes its a lot of work but i only do it on a serious song rather than a ruff demo. its the ONLY WAY to uncover what i term gold nuggets of sound. in rb then you can keep chunks of what you like and cut out what you dont like.ie slice/dice/edit....then gradually build your final drum track... an example might be you like a crash cym in a rock rd that cranks you up or say a drum sound in jazz or some percussion latin...whatever...you dont have to stay in one genre...you can mix match. so if you like say a certain country style you like but not drums...just experiment with drums from other genres and styles. hth...now im gonna watch champs euro final. om 🇨🇦🇨🇦 🇬🇧🇬🇧 Last edited by justanoldmuso; 06/01/24 10:41 AM. my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb.)

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song dRoNe13 #812000 06/01/24 02:03 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP dRoNe13 Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 67 Manchester, England	Thanks for the awesome tips, I'll definitely be trying this out.

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song dRoNe13 #812001 06/01/24 02:11 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,716 Wauconda	Originally Posted by dRoNe13 Thanks for the awesome tips, I'll definitely be trying this out. And that will help with the inability to load and play individual drum stems - how? Sounds to me like another BIAB workaround which does not address the real problem here. Or am I missing something? Final Tour - Not with a Bang but with a wimper! Ended.

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song DrDan #812015 06/01/24 03:47 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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justanoldmuso Veteran J Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 2,961	DrDan... heres something to ponder... 1..lets say pg expand rd content with not just more rd sounds but also stems for every single rd style. this will balloon the rd library...and then some people will complain about dload times. for example im in an area with slower internet. lots of areas in this wide world have slow net. 2..ive seen the drum libs usedby some big studios...they are huge. frankly ive steered away from such because i would have sooo many drum sounds i would like...it would be tough to decide which to use....lol. ie paralysis by analysis. i cant spesk for pg but imho its a fine line they probably have to tread because the world base of users is so diverse. in another thread Rob Helms suggested some of the blame lies with us users...re bb...cos over the years pg trying to keep such a diverse base of users happy...so lots of new content and features. im no apologist...and sure you make a good point...but like everythingin life there are plusses and minuses. eg i would love a shelby mustang instead of my humble corolla...but the mustang im sure would cost way more to msintain. btw great credit to the doctoring profession for improving my eyesight. im sooo happy. i assume your a doctor ? happiness. om 🇨🇦🇨🇦 🇬🇧🇬🇧 Last edited by justanoldmuso; 06/01/24 03:55 PM. my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb.)

Re: Drum Stems can't be heard on new song justanoldmuso #812042 06/01/24 10:27 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP dRoNe13 Enthusiast Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 67 Manchester, England	This is great, being able to pick & mix until your hearts content, I had no idea.👍

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