I could use some help finding a most basic jazz style. The band in this case would be vibes, acoustic bass and brush drums. Simple right? Tempo around 85 bpm, 4/4.
Nothing is showing up on my computer at the moment. If someone can find it and point me in the right direction I'd really appreciate it.
Bass walks slowly, four notes per bar. Vibes holds chords for as long as possible (ringing out only as vibes can do).
I would think I'd have a choice of at least 4-5 styles like this.
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There are some sweet jazz styles with vibes. The rhythm parts are as you suggest, namely vibes playing held chords. And the vibes player is the great Steve Nelson.
You can listen to them by playing the band demo of the ones with “rhythm” in the name,
you can find them in the style picker by filtering by Steve Nelson.
Steve is considered one of the best jazz vibes players, including playing with most of the jazz greats including being a member of the famous George Shearing Quintet, who had that famous sound with vibes, piano and guitar. Here’s’ Steve’s bio https://www.stevenelsonvibes.com/bio
There are some sweet jazz styles with vibes. The rhythm parts are as you suggest, namely vibes playing held chords. And the vibes player is the great Steve Nelson.
You can listen to them by playing the band demo of the ones with “rhythm” in the name,
you can find them in the style picker by filtering by Steve Nelson.
Thanks AudioTrack and Peter for helping out so quickly! It's funny what happened.
My BIAB was set up and working nicely a couple of months ago. Then I needed to create some extra space on my SSD and I deleted a bunch of music stuff.
I just checked and ALL of my RealTracks have disappeared! No wonder I couldn't find anything.
I'm going to have to go back to some of my backups and either restore the files, or re-install them. I'm sure that will solve the problem.
Thanks again!
BTW, I was able to listen to some really nice vibes stuff when I chose to replace the midi parts with RealTracks, so at least the demos were working. But when I tried to select the parts to work in my song, up popped the message saying that the files were not available.
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OK for some further clarification and a few more questions.
I didn't get it quite right with my explanation above. I did restore my BIAB files a few days ago, but for some reason I forgot to restore perhaps the most important folder with 30G + of files. My Real Tracks folder!
So that explains why I wasn't seeing hardly any Styles to choose from. That and also because the location pointer to my custom Real Tracks folder had been wiped as well.
Now that all my Real Tracks have been restored and the pointer is correct again a lot of Styles are available to choose from.
However, I was able to pull up a few really cool Styles yesterday (without the Real Tracks restored): Vibes, Rhythm Jazz Sw 110 Vibes, Rhythm JazzBallad Sw 060 Vibes, Rhythm Jazz Sw 140
For some reason I can't see them now after I restored my Real Tracks! Suggestions on how to get them back? I saw them yesterday by choosing an instrument and selecting 'substitute Real Track for midi' etc.
Another question. In order to see my Styles quickly and easily I would like to sort them according to header, in the Style Picker window. However it is not sorting properly. If I click on Name or Long Name, I don't get the Styles sorted alphabetically.
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Another question. In order to see my Styles quickly and easily I would like to sort them according to header, in the Style Picker window. However it is not sorting properly. If I click on Name or Long Name, I don't get the Styles sorted alphabetically.
Yes, it does that for some unknown reason. On mine, it sorts by every name that begins with an underscore character, then all of the remainder are listed in a seemingly random order.
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Another question. In order to see my Styles quickly and easily I would like to sort them according to header, in the Style Picker window. However it is not sorting properly. If I click on Name or Long Name, I don't get the Styles sorted alphabetically.
Yes, it does that for some unknown reason. On mine, it sorts by every name that begins with an underscore character, then all of the remainder are listed in a seemingly random order.
Interesting that I'm not the only one experiencing this.
It does make a feeble attempt at sorting. It will sort a bunch of styles using some criterion, then go back to A, B, C etc. for a second criterion (whatever that is) and then when that is finished it will go back to A, B, C etc. for another criterion... And it will also throw in random styles not sorted. A whole mishmash.
A BIAB user for more than 30 years (if you can believe it) !
There are some sweet jazz styles with vibes. The rhythm parts are as you suggest, namely vibes playing held chords. And the vibes player is the great Steve Nelson.
You can listen to them by playing the band demo of the ones with “rhythm” in the name,
you can find them in the style picker by filtering by Steve Nelson.
OK I could really use your help now! Either Peter or anyone else here who knows the solution. I listened to the styles in the links that Peter gave above.
The ones I really like are: Vibes, Rhythm Jazz Sw 110 (#1217) Vibes, Rhythm Jazz Sw 140 (#1218) Vibes, Rhythm JazzBallad Sw 060 (#1219)
These were shown as 'Band demos'. And it said Real Tracks in this set.
So now I stuck in a mire. There's: 1. Real Tracks 2. Band demos 3. Styles and the list goes on and on and on.
All I want is to be able to get the sounds like I stated above (1217, 1218, and 1219) in styles that I can use in my songs.
Can anyone guide me to doing this? They aren't showing up in my Styles list. Peter said to filter for 'Steve Nelson'. None of the styles had the sound I referenced above.
The link above says they are found in the UltraPAK which I have.
SIGH....
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RealTrack 1217 is used in Style: _VIBRANT (Xtra Pak 2) _UNREAL (Xtra Pak 4) _SURREAL (Xtra Pak 4) _SMALLHR (RT 294) _LUXMATIC (Xtra Pak 10) _LOOSE (Xtra Pak 11) _JAZVIBE (RT 111)
I found this by searching the Style Picker for 'steve nelson' then reviewing the Memo field for each of the 66 styles returned to see where RT1217 appeared.
You need to have those particular styles in your set, otherwise they won't be listed. If you don't have the Xtra Pak's, do you have either RT 294 or RT 111?
Hope this helps.
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RealTrack 1217 is used in Style: _VIBRANT (Xtra Pak 2) _UNREAL (Xtra Pak 4) _SURREAL (Xtra Pak 4) _SMALLHR (RT 294) _LUXMATIC (Xtra Pak 10) _LOOSE (Xtra Pak 11) _JAZVIBE (RT 111)
I found this by searching the Style Picker for 'steve nelson' then reviewing the Memo field for each of the 66 styles returned to see where RT1217 appeared.
You need to have those particular styles in your set, otherwise they won't be listed. If you don't have the Xtra Pak's, do you have either RT 294 or RT 111?
Hope this helps.
Thanks AudioTrack. The only ones in my UltraPak are _SMALLHR and _JAZVIBE They are just so so in comparison to the Band cuts I mentioned above. The band cuts have better sounding vibes and they also ring out through entire bars. When I generate the above two, there are a lot of short choppy vibe sounds happening.
I'm hoping I can eventually get those demo sounds that Peter pointed to, into my song. They really sound cool. When I first heard them I was smiling. But when I tried to actually get them into my song and found them to be elusive I was not a happy camper.
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Thanks AudioTrack. The only ones in my UltraPak are _SMALLHR and _JAZVIBE They are just so so in comparison to the Band cuts I mentioned above. The band cuts have better sounding vibes and they also ring out through entire bars. When I generate the above two, there are a lot of short choppy vibe sounds happening.
I'm hoping I can eventually get those demo sounds that Peter pointed to, into my song. They really sound cool. When I first heard them I was smiling. But when I tried to actually get them into my song and found them to be elusive I was not a happy camper.
I tried _SMALLHR and it was quite similar to the demo.
Perhaps Peter can assist with how their demo songs were created?
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I tried _SMALLHR and it was quite similar to the demo.
Perhaps Peter can assist with how their demo songs were created?
When I play _SMALLHR the vibes sound hollow compared to the rich full sound in the demo. I hope Peter can tell us the secret of how to get the demo sounds happening in BIAB. Which exact Styles will deliver that sound? Because if we can't, it's not fair to create a demo such as we hear.
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When I play _SMALLHR the vibes sound hollow compared to the rich full sound in the demo.
Feel free to use the mixer to adjust volume levels of the vibes and other instruments. Try adjusting reverb levels. No doubt that the audio demo had some mastering applied. You should experiment to see if you can improve the result you are hearing.
When I loaded the demo song, I noticed that the mixer levels are all flat. Start with the mixer and I suspect you might hear improvements.
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When I play _SMALLHR the vibes sound hollow compared to the rich full sound in the demo.
Feel free to use the mixer to adjust volume levels of the vibes and other instruments. Try adjusting reverb levels. No doubt that the audio demo had some mastering applied. You should experiment to see if you can improve the result you are hearing.
When I loaded the demo song, I noticed that the mixer levels are all flat. Start with the mixer and I suspect you might hear improvements.
Thanks again AudioTrack! OK this is fascinating for me.
I would really like to get to the bottom of all of this, but it's still a mystery to me.
Could you please tell me EXACTLY HOW you got the demo song(s) (#1217) , (#1218) and (#1219) into BIAB?
That would be a huge and great start for me. You were actually able to get tracks from them into BIAB?
Amazing. I have no clue how to do this. And were you able to create styles from that?
The closest I come to those audio demos is the ability to get 'Vibes RealTrack 1217 Rhythm Jazz Sw 110' to show up as one of my tracks inside the Style: _JAZVIBE.STY. That's it. And as I said when I listen to the style (_JAZVIBE.STY.) with the chords to my song it's nowhere close to the sound I hear in the demo. For starters the demo uses sticks for the drums not brushes as appear in _JAZVIBE.STY. Having said that, I actually want brushes, for my song, so that's not the issue.
The issue is to get the same vibe sound and e.q. we hear in the demo inside BIAB.
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I am using BIAB 2024 V. 1111 (the latest). I can see that your demo is different than mine. You have different drums and bass. (I don't have guitar/sax on mine) Vibes are the same.
Please scroll down to the Band demo here: Band Demo Vibes, Rhythm Jazz Sw 110 (#1217) Band Demo
and A/B this demo with the demo you posted here, and tell me with a straight face that they sound the same. They sound like night and day to me.
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Please scroll down to the Band demo here: Band Demo Vibes, Rhythm Jazz Sw 110 (#1217) Band Demo
and A/B this demo with the demo you posted here, and tell me with a straight face that they sound the same. They sound like night and day to me.
A correction to the above statement is required. I never once mentioned the audio recording on the PG Music website. I 'straight faced' suggested that this Demo and the loaded demo song sounded similar. See the next two screen captures for what I was referring to:
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A correction to the above statement is required. I never once mentioned the audio recording on the PG Music website. I 'straight faced' suggested that this Demo and the loaded demo song sounded similar. See the next two screen captures for what I was referring to:
OK thanks again Audio Track. I think we are both getting past the confusion now. Up until a few days ago I never used (or even noticed) the 'demo feature' in the Styles list.
We are getting to the heart of the problem. I believe we are on the same page now and can get to the bottom of this now.
This all goes back to Peter's first reply in this thread. In it, he gave a link to a PG Music webpage. On that page there were many Band Demos.
I will re-post the three relevant ones again:
Vibes, Rhythm Jazz Sw 110 (#1217) Vibes, Rhythm Jazz Sw 140 (#1218) Vibes, Rhythm JazzBallad Sw 060 (#1219)
All three of these band demos sounded great to my ears and when I first heard them I smiled and said to myself, "Problem solved!"
But little did I know that I wouldn't be able to get the sounds I was listening to into BIAB as styles I could use with my song!
And so my problem still persists.
I would first like to know if the "Band demos" were made with BIAB (ie. chords typed in and Bingo, instant song) If so, how I can I get these styles so I can do the same with my song? If not, how can I get these demos made into styles so I can work with them?
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I would first like to know if the "Band demos" were made with BIAB (ie. chords typed in and Bingo, instant song)
It has been stated that yes, they are.
OK thanks for helping Matt.
What you said is very encouraging!
Could you please give me step-by-step instructions how I can get the same sound that I heard in the band demos into my song:
Vibes, Rhythm Jazz Sw 110 (#1217) Vibes, Rhythm Jazz Sw 140 (#1218) Vibes, Rhythm JazzBallad Sw 060 (#1219)
I assume I'd need to start with opening the Styles list and choosing the right style?
On my computer only two styles come up with Vibes that are close to these: _JAZVIBE _SMALLHR
In the 'Vibes, Rhythm JazzBallad Sw 060 (#1219)' band demo all the vibe chords ring out for the full beat. This is what I am after. In my song using either of the two Styles above, many chords are choppy and often lay out for almost a full bar.
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