If you are a song writer or a musician AI music will have a strong negative impact on your career! Ain't no ifs and or buts about it. It was only months ago I was uncertain about what this all ment but I now see the direction and capability and it scares me more than ever.
My take on this is yes it will get better and some people will use it over and over again. But eventually some kids will say enough is enough and start to learn and instrument and then start a band. Every time a style or genre of music gets popular young people will take a different route; think The Beatles over Elvis and the other early 60's singers, or grunge over the "hair bands". This happens many times in music's history.
I chuckled when he said "it OK to jam with something generated by AI". Hell I've been doing it for years using BiaB!
Have you ever noticed there are no lines to a bathroom at a water park?
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If you are a song writer or a musician AI music will have a strong negative impact on your career! Ain't no ifs and or buts about it. It was only months ago I was uncertain about what this all ment but I now see the direction and capability and it scares me more than ever.
It's called "progress" I guess! Similar thing happened to those who worked in the buggy whip factories. And the hot air balloon uber drivers. And the oil field workers. And so on. Right?
In fact, there is this software program I know of that replaces bass players, rhythm guitar players, drummers and even lead guitar players! What's next? Replacing banjo players and polka guys? Of yeah, it does that too!! All that without any AI! (Sometimes it seems a little light on the I too!)
The +++ Bob Doyle video +++ Tony1000 links to has a great tutorial about using Band-in-a-Box to provide backing tracks for existing songs. Well worth the view.
Beato's Beat Up supported by Dr Dan's Dire Divination? A.I. won't affect my career because I don't have one, I don't anticipate one, I don't want one & I'm not up to what's needed for one. I write & record songs for the same reason used to paint: I do it because I need to - as a form of release, expression, fun, engagement and, often, as a means of working with other people now that I'm not working. Beato's safe - well, until the boomer stars are dead but then again he can still "What's so great about...?" old songs and whine about the top ten to his hearts content. It's in Beato's interest to beat up an atonal apocalypse or diatonic duopoly because it's ace CLICK BAIT.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
I get somewhat amused by this AI media obsession. I have video/photo apps that I’ve used for years and the latest updates have been branded AI by the companies. Folks seem to think it all started with ChatGPT. I suggest the abacus.
........................................... I write & record songs for the same reason used to paint: I do it because I need to - as a form of release, expression, fun, engagement and, often, as a means of working with other people now that I'm not working. .......................................
Same here! That is what making music is all about but I will add regardless of how you do it.
Have you ever noticed there are no lines to a bathroom at a water park?
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I get somewhat amused by this AI media obsession. I have video/photo apps that I’ve used for years and the latest updates have been branded AI by the companies.
Excellent point. My photo software On One Photo Raw is now AI based.
Originally Posted by Janice & Bud
Folks seem to think it all started with ChatGPT. I suggest the abacus.
Bud
Excellent point!
Have you ever noticed there are no lines to a bathroom at a water park?
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I do agree with Beato, we are at an inflection point and some people will lose their jobs. It's happened before when technology has experienced a step-change.
But I question if his kids could really tell that "Carolina-O" was AI-generated. But that doesn't matter. The vast majority of the listening public won't be able to tell and probably won't care either way.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
History has many occasions where new technology was going to take away people's jobs and, whilst that has happened, generally people get newer and different jobs. Technology can, and sometimes does, improve productivity. The trick is to work out how best to use the technology to one's own advantage.
That said, this looks at present a bit like AI taking the "good jobs" and leaving us with the tedious graft. I doubt long term that that will really be how it is, but it's hard to be sure.
The number of fundamental changes in technology just in my lifetime is quite staggering, but it never stopped me working and often made me more efficient. I hope AI can do the same. Conversely, I sincerely hope that it doesn't turn song production into bland, grey mush.
I'm also amused and encouraged by McDonald's pulling their AI ordering system due to some very silly errors.
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"Conversely, I sincerely hope that it doesn't turn song production into bland, grey mush."
Ugh, well, we are certainly in no danger of that. Because production HAS been bland grey mush for quite a while.
Now, it is just a question of how much more bland, grey and mushy it can be.
Perhaps AI can help us with that.
"Write me a crappy hit song for Spotify that sounds like Max Martin and a chipmunk about my bestie and my BFF and my last breakup with a tequila shot in there somewhere and post it to my Instagram channel."
The future looks bright.
David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers
the charts illustrate an old yorkshire saying ... cream and also c**p rise to the top. sadly too much the latter these days. with ai no work sweat is needed to do songs....very sad.
it makes me wanna cry when i hear the talent on pg showcase that doesnt get exposure and end up on the charts. the prob with ai is a ton of junk is prolly gonna crowd out the talent.
yep bland is in...thanks to record companies useing marketing formulas...its all about the money.
happiness.
om. 🇨🇦🇨🇦. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
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it makes me wanna cry when i hear the talent on pg showcase that doesnt get exposure and end up on the charts. ............................................................
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SO TRUE!
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[quote=justanoldmuso it makes me wanna cry when i hear the talent on pg showcase that doesnt get exposure and end up on the charts. quote] This is why I've lobbied for the creation of an annual PGMusic Grammys List (or some such name). It's a crying shame that the very best and most distinctive works that are shared on the Showcase will have an average life of perhaps a week or two on the forum, to then be ignored, forgotten and lost in the ever-growing mountain of uploaded songs.
I often think about those that don't know what BiaB can actually do and how they would be wowed and inspired by the best of the Showcase. What a marketing bonanza this could be for PGM!
The ancient Egyptians (as well as many other civilizations) understood the principal of knowledge capture . . . think the Library of Alexandria as an example. I believe Eratosthenes (who was a music theorist) would agree
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
"Conversely, I sincerely hope that it doesn't turn song production into bland, grey mush."
Ugh, well, we are certainly in no danger of that. Because production HAS been bland grey mush for quite a while.
Now, it is just a question of how much more bland, grey and mushy it can can.
>95% of it I agree, though there is still some good music out there.
With hindsight, I should perhaps also have had the word amorphous somewhere in my sentence.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2024 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
great idea re pg grammys....there is sooo much talent here.
yep the music biz is in a sad state viz the difficulty for new talent to break through. the only comfort is knowing. from what ive sussed out talking to people working deep in the music biz is there are downsides if one is successfull. eg who wants a security team following you everywhere.????....not me.
i have no delusions of grandeur or desire to be such...but ive been thinking of a little experiment in marketing because obviously music consumers dont go often to the sites where we might upload our songs.
so i might for s's n giggles see what happens with direct contact with say radio stations like the old days.useing a pseudonym obviously as i like a happy peacefull quiete life with my dear wife. i dont want a crrrrazy life in showbiz.....no desire.
then i might document in off topic whether i get turfed out on my A or told my songs suck...lol i might do it with say 5 songs in different genres. could be a fun little project....to see if its possible to get put on rotation on a radio station somewhere.
all ive gleaned in life is if ya wanna be big...ya gotta do a ton of marketing. i once taught marketing in a previous life. and taught the concept of ...
ACE... accessible...cheap...exciting.
whatever the product for people to buy it its gotta be ACE. which seperates the successfull products saleswise from the failures.
happiness.
om
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I gotta disagree with y'all (surprise!) IMHO there's a lot of great new music out there right now. Every year during the real Grammys I pick up some new artists from the Americana nominees as well as alternative stuff. I enjoy a lot of Taylor's music. I love Sia. Radiohead still releases great stuff. And if you yearn for great music from bygone eras check out the latest from the Rolling Stones! I swear I enjoyed pretty much every track. Oh and Ozzy released a pretty good album a year or two ago.
I understand the sentiment about great music here that will never be heard but this showcase is just a tiny slice of the great music being produced that will never be heard. Ever since the tools became affordable a lot more folks are producing good and even great music. Of course, since everyone can have those tools the competition for ears is fierce!
I'm just glad I chose a "real" job where I can make a good living without competing with everyone and their monkey!
I gotta disagree with y'all (surprise!) IMHO there's a lot of great new music out there right now. Every year during the real Grammys I pick up some new artists from the Americana nominees as well as alternative stuff. I enjoy a lot of Taylor's music. I love Sia. Radiohead still releases great stuff. And if you yearn for great music from bygone eras check out the latest from the Rolling Stones! I swear I enjoyed pretty much every track. Oh and Ozzy released a pretty good album a year or two ago.
I understand the sentiment about great music here that will never be heard but this showcase is just a tiny slice of the great music being produced that will never be heard. Ever since the tools became affordable a lot more folks are producing good and even great music. Of course, since everyone can have those tools the competition for ears is fierce!
I'm just glad I chose a "real" job where I can make a good living without competing with everyone and their monkey!
For us there is indeed a lot of great new music available although for us new does not imply modern styles. Genre wise our interest lies in the big tent called Americana and blues rock. Spotify and sometimes Apple Music daily provide us suggestions of artists that fit those genres. And frequently these are newly released tunes. Via this we have discovered many artists that we listen to regularly that we were completely unaware of.
I sometimes get a bit weary of complaints about how everything has gone down the tubes with the near demise of cassette tapes, CDs and radio channels to their liking. One suggested alternative. Streaming. $10 a month or so and you can find your genre bubble and listen to a world of well curated playlists or readily make your own. We listen to music many hours a day in our home and vehicles with never a lack of something good to play. BTW Spotify's DJ IMO is amazing at playing what we like and suggesting similar artists we have not played before.
We have hundreds of albums stacked in the basement. Our music room has a shelf with over 400 CD's. Noticing them on occasion brings back fond memories but little temptation them in action! I'm 78, Janice is 66 and we love streaming ... baby boomers out there on the digital cusp which assuredly does not make us better or enlightened - just different I reckon. FWIW J&B
The perspectives here are interesting, but divergent and not necessarily related to the original topic.
I think everyone understands that there's something called Spotify and streaming and Amazon music.
I too spend a considerable amount of time studying the music that is on Amazon and Spotify and everywhere else on the internet. I study it and listen to new stuff everyday.
However, in line with the discussion about AI looming over music as a threat, I think it is fair to point out that a great deal of commercial music has for a while been extremely bland, and copycat, and produced by algorithms, which record companies will readily admit to.
I think that is what people were originally addressing. So, there could be another separate post speaking of all of the wonderful things that one can find on these amazing platforms called streaming if you want to spend the rest of your month looking for them.
0n vinyl: I don't care what anyone has to say about streaming or technology or AI or anything else. All I know is that nothing beats, for me, the experience of getting out my mint condition original vinyl copy of Aja by Steely Dan and laying down that expensive diamond needle on track one, then sitting down on my comfy sofa to hear the music blasting through high end speakers befitting a music snob like me.
Nothing.
And I won't back down on that. Stream all you want. I love flipping through my vinyl stacks on the bookshelves.
🙂
David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers
. 0n vinyl: I don't care what anyone has to say about streaming or technology or AI or anything else. All I know is that nothing beats, for me, the experience of getting out my mint condition original vinyl copy of Aja by Steely Dan and laying down that expensive diamond needle on track one, then sitting down on my comfy sofa to hear the music blasting through high end speakers befitting a music snob like me.
Lots to comment on here: 1: IMHO because we all have in common a love of music, by definition we're all "music snobs" to some degree. I wear it as a badge of honor
2. Unfortunately, all my vinyl and turntable are long gone, lost to history, house moves and mechanical failure; I'm 100% digital when I listen to music, but I still have a toe or two in the analog world when I pick up my bass.
3. Aja. What a masterful album. It so happened that while streaming on my Manassas (Stephen Stills) station this morning that Home at Last played. What a bass line. But what's this about yacht rock"?? " In retrospective appraisals, Aja has been discussed by music journalists as an important release in the development of yacht rock." I understand Steely Dan as one of the finest jazz rock "bands".
4. I'm a bit surprised that there has been no interest on this forum in drilling deep on a specific song like Home at Last. There is such a gold mine to discuss, lyrics, chord progressions, arrangements, instruments used, FX, playing style, vocals, mixing/mastering and on and on. No matter where anyone is on the "music spectrum", there is much to learn from classic, timeless songs.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
Home at Last blows me away. Every syllable, every sound. It transports me to Heaven. The playing, the groove, the mastery of words, and instruments--everything. I start smiling the first measure. The way the intro riff starts Bbmaj7/G minor-ish in the key of Bb then goes to Ebmaj7 for verse one--it gets me every time.
The lyrics are genius, the way they capture and toy with the Odyssean legend:
V1
I know this super highway This bright familiar sun I guess that I'm the lucky one Who wrote that tired sea song Set on this peaceful shore You think you've heard this one before [AND YES WE HAVE! :)] Well the danger on the rocks is surely past Still I remain tied to the mast... [and this gives me chills every time] Could it be that I have found my home at last Home at last
V2
She serves the smooth retsina She keeps me safe and warm It's just the calm before the storm Call in my reservation So long hey thanks my friend I guess I'll try my luck again
Damn.
AI will never do this.
Never.
David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
Apologies if this is viewed as a hijack, if others are interested perhaps someone can start a "Deep Dive" thread on this song.
It's definitely a hijack, but I'm not complaining, just thinking that it'll likely also get lost here Probably the suggestion of "deep dive" threads on great songs is a good idea.
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Folks, the music industry is dead, songwriting is not a livelihood. AI isn't wrecking anything because it was already wrecked by streaming, and streaming, well the industry was wrecked before streaming, because of MP3s and everybody downloading them on the internet. And before that it was ruined by.... Well the list goes on, and on, going back to the invention of the well tempered clavichord which ruined music because ... checks notes.. it solidified the 12 tone system and destroyed human tonal freedom.
Or we could just enjoy that suno.ai can write you a song in five seconds about the joy of farting, and be happy. I suggest we be happy and carry on making music because making music (hopefully) makes us happy, not because it makes us any richer. If you can share your music and get someone else to listen to it, great. If you can play a gig at a bar, or a coffee house, great.
I use BIAB as a virtual band to let me jam over whatever I feel like jamming over. Am I upset that some real bass player somewhere has no gig because BIAB stole this non-paying gig of playing bass for me? no. But if you wanna be in my band and you live around here, hey, hit me up.
If you made a track in BIAB and posted it here and are "upset" that you will never get on what remains of the radio music world, well. Adjust your expectations.
Warren
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If you made a track in BIAB and posted it here and are "upset" that you will never get on what remains of the radio music world, well. Adjust your expectations.
If you are a song writer or a musician AI music will have a strong negative impact on your career! Ain't no ifs and or buts about it. It was only months ago I was uncertain about what this all ment but I now see the direction and capability and it scares me more than ever.
I hear you. The rise of AI in music is definitely concerning for songwriters and musicians. The impact is real and the future seems uncertain. It's a big change and it's understandable to feel scared.
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