Yes. I haven't fully done so yet but will commit to using the new Multipicker Library exclusively. As I understand it, this will eliminate the redundancy and inconsistency that is there now.
JohnJohnJohn, that's a valid point. So, I would ask, how long do you think is long enough? I intend to use only the Multipicker Library from now on, and if I find anything wrong or missing, I'll report it. But we've had six months already.
Last edited by Matt Finley; 06/12/2402:32 PM.
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Yes! The confusion for new and casual customers out ways any issues that might remain, especially since it has been tested by the public for over 6 months. There is so many improvements in the multi picker in terms of workflow that there’s no reason to use inferior methods.
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NO, same reason as 3J, but also in my case, due to poor eyesight I need a different screen resolution, and need the old picker as an option to fall back on should the new picker not display properly.
Windows can be funny at times, and the problem can actually be related to the OS rather than biab, but the above scenario has happened to me where the styles weren't displaying in the new picker, messing around with the screen resolution got it fixed, but at that particular time it was great to be able to fall back on the old pickers.
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(It would be helpful if users who vote No could add explicit examples of what they think they can not do in the mutipicker, I am not aware of anything.)
"Originally Posted by Thunderthud No. I use both". ------------------------------------------------------- After exploring the Multipicker some more I change my vote to 1. I hadn't noticed the "#" option that brings up a menu similar to the right click track menu.
<< (It would be helpful if users who vote No could add explicit examples of what they think they can not do in the mutipicker, I am not aware of anything.) >>
Explicit Example:
Open BIAB From the blank chord sheet Type S into any measure and press the <enter> key The old StylePicker will open instantly Select and load any Style to the Chord Sheet Type S9 into any measure and press the <enter> key The Style demo will load instantly onto the Chord Sheet
This method is more intuitive. Faster. Takes far fewer steps and selections to complete the task than can be done from the MultiPicker. While Styles and demos can be loaded from the MultiPicker, they cannot be instantly loaded onto the Chord Sheet using the MultiPicker.
Reason I find the double click feather in the MTP faster and easier. I like that this type of click process can be used across all the tabs. I see Charlies point, but raise you one. From any bar on the chord sheet I can click F7 and up pops the MTP. fro there I can choose ant picker I want and double click any content to add it and demo it at the same time. Finding Its RDs Midi, Loops, Styles are all the same. To me once I got comfortable with that process I will never go back.
Side point. If you right click in the mixer you get all the picker choices. Those do not have to leave, but I don't see the need for button clutter.Especially since the F7 MTP is the first choice on the right click anyway.
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<< (It would be helpful if users who vote No could add explicit examples of what they think they can not do in the mutipicker, I am not aware of anything.) >>
Explicit Example:
Open BIAB From the blank chord sheet Type S into any measure and press the <enter> key The old StylePicker will open instantly Select and load any Style to the Chord Sheet Type S9 into any measure and press the <enter> key The Style demo will load instantly onto the Chord Sheet
This method is more intuitive. Faster. Takes far fewer steps and selections to complete the task than can be done from the MultiPicker. While Styles and demos can be loaded from the MultiPicker, they cannot be instantly loaded onto the Chord Sheet using the MultiPicker.
The S codes for the most part don't actually use the StylePicker - the only one that actually does is S, which could easily be changed to open the MultiPicker on the Styles page.
I think there was one when I was looking at them yesterday that opened the real tracks tab.
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Side point. If you right click in the mixer you get all the picker choices. Those do not have to leave, but I don't see the need for button clutter.Especially since the F7 MTP is the first choice on the right click anyway.
I like this thinking. Buttons can add clutter, but when in doubt in any program, I right-click and expect to get context-related options.
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< The S codes for the most part don't actually use the StylePicker - the only one that actually does is S, which could easily be changed to open the MultiPicker on the Styles page.>
True. That's why I only referred to S rather than also listing other 'just as useful' S-codes. My reply focused solely on this specific question from a user: <<<< (It would be helpful if users who vote No could add explicit examples of what they think they can not do in the mutipicker, I am not aware of anything.) >>>
Changing the shortcut S to open the MultiPicker regardless how easy it may be is senseless. First, it would take a tool, that at the moment is useful and unique, and make it useless and redundant. Second. It is very common during a project to only want to change a Style and there's no need for the MultiPicker window providing everything the program can do. The user only wants to open the StylePicker and select a style and continue with the project.
Typing S in any measure and pressing the <enter> key and the StylePicker opens instantly. Right click on the Mixer or pressing F7 and the MultiPicker opens and defaults to the RealTracks button. This obviously still requires additional steps and selections simply to open the StylePicker.
What's the benefit to all users when the task at hand is to only change styles? There's no benefit making the S code redundant to the existing Right Click method, or F7 shortcut that opens a dialog window rather than the StylePicker and once the MultiPicker has opened, have to further select the Styles button away from the default RealTracks button? It's faster and logical to only do one thing to do one task. S and enter..........
Anyone with any version can prove to themselves the speed advantage, efficiency and logic of using the S code to open the StylePicker is a workflow advantage over using the MultiPicker if the task is to only change Styles. If your project workflow is doing multiple changes, then of course, the MultiPicker is made for those circumstances.
As you noted in your response, the other S codes are also specific task related shortcuts that are very useful tools that should be in every users toolkit. They provide instant access to recently used and favorite styles list and instantly will open a player to audition demos, as well as other useful shortcuts.
Charlie, all your concerns are addressed by Simon's offer to open F7 forced to a specific tab.
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
could easily be changed to open the MultiPicker on the Styles page.
Originally Posted by Charlie Fogle
1) First, it would make it useless and redundant.
2) Second. It is very common during a project to only want to change a Style and there's no need for the MultiPicker window providing everything the program can do. The user only wants to open the StylePicker and select a style and continue with the project.
3) Typing (1) S and pressing the (2) <enter> key and the StylePicker opens instantly.
4) Right click on the Mixer or pressing (1) F7 and the MultiPicker opens and defaults to the RealTracks button. (wrong opens to last used) This obviously still requires additional steps and selections simply to open the (2) StylePicker.
5) What's the benefit to all users when the task at hand is to only change styles? There's no benefit making the S code redundant to the existing Right Click method, or F7 shortcut that opens a dialog window rather than the StylePicker and once the MultiPicker has opened, have to further select the Styles button away from the default RealTracks button? It's faster and logical to only do one thing to do one task. S and enter..........
6) prove to themselves the speed advantage, efficiency and logic of using the S code to open the StylePicker is a workflow advantage over using the MultiPicker if the task is to only change Styles.
7) If your project workflow is doing multiple changes, then of course, the MultiPicker is made for those circumstances.
Counter arguments: 1) This was already countered by Simon saying that a special key can open up the F7 with a tab in mind. Results exactly the same. (2-6) Already solved by opening F7 to a specific tab. 7) A floating window can require zero clicks FYI: F7 Toggles so it (1) click to open and use for all use cases, or close.
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Open, chose, select, whatever is used to choose a style, RT, RD, MIDI can be made the same there no more pickers that function completely differently.
Uniformity is very important going forward. Context menus can be assigned to separate tabs. That way clutter can be cleaned up. This program made a major step forward this year because Peter saw the value in this process. I don’t think any of us should stand in the way of incremental improvements of long needed workflow development.
Last edited by Rob Helms; 06/14/2411:17 AM.
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I submit we don't need to engage in this poll question with refutation of the points given as examples for why someone prefers to continue to use the older pickers. I think the idea of the post at this time is just to collect their reasons. We can hash them out when we know what they all are. Otherwise, we may be discouraging those who would like to post legitimate concerns, and we want to know what they are for everyone in a safe space.
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I submit we don't need to engage in this poll question with refutation of the points given as examples for why someone prefers to continue to use the older pickers. I think the idea of the post at this time is just to collect their reasons. We can hash them out when we know what they all are. Otherwise, we may be discouraging those who would like to post legitimate concerns, and we want to know what they are for everyone in a safe space.
Hi Matt.
This is a great observation. As someone who has been belittled a couple of times recently because my opinion did not match the opinions of others, I now avoid these polls. That's why "No" is all I'm saying. The old "once bitten twice shy" and "least said soonest mended" approaches At the end of the day, the only thing I want from BIAB is that it does what I want it to do. And it does.
Peter Gannon and his team have great vision and they have created something immensely special in the musical world. I arrived in BIAB-land just before Realtracks began. I clearly remember those first three that we were introduced to. The growth of BIAB from that point in time into what it is now has been nothing short of extraordinary. I'm quite comfortable leaving things in the hands of Dr Gannon, his expertise and his experts.
I submit we don't need to engage in this poll question with refutation of the points given as examples for why someone prefers to continue to use the older pickers. I think the idea of the post at this time is just to collect their reasons. We can hash them out when we know what they all are. Otherwise, we may be discouraging those who would like to post legitimate concerns, and we want to know what they are for everyone in a safe space.
Hi Matt.
This is a great observation. As someone who has been belittled a couple of times recently because my opinion did not match the opinion of others, I now avoid these polls. That's why "No" is all I'm saying. The old "once bitten twice shy" and "least said soonest mended" approaches At the end of the day, the only thing I want from BIAB is that it does what I want it to do. And it does.
Peter Gannon and his team have great vision and they have created something immensely special in the musical world. I arrived in BIAB-land just before Realtracks began. I clearly remember those first three that we were introduced to. The growth of BIAB from that point in time into what it is now has been nothing short of extraordinary. I'm quite comfortable leaving things in the hands of Dr Gannon, his expertise and his experts.
--Noel
This exactly ^^^^^
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Yes. I use the new MultiPicker Library (F7 or Edit, MultiPicker Library) to select all my RealTracks, Styles, Loops, Supertracks, Soloists etc.
No. I still use and need the older separate dialogs to select my RealTracks, Styles, Loops, Supertracks, Soloists etc. If so, PLEASE share why. Thank you.
If you don't mind, back to the point of thread.
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As someone who has been belittled a couple of times recently because my opinion did not match the opinion of others, I now avoid these polls. That's why "No" is all I'm saying.
This is pretty much the same reason I haven't got involved. My opinions seem to go against the grain so there's generally no point in me commenting. But now I'm here, I vote neither. I'd prefer the old pickers come back as they were. The multipicker is a good idea but it's just done badly with more clutter, more mess, more clicks. I've tried to persevere but I just can't bear using it and it's far from being a replacement for some of the other pickers. There's no need for me to give more detail because I'm in a clear minority and my opinions won't change anything. Just being realistic.
Thank you to everyone who can post any reason why you are not using the Multipicker, because we might learn that something has been overlooked. And thank you to everyone who does not cajole someone because of their reply.
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I am nearly into my 80's and don't have time to keep learning new ways of doing things I have used Biab from the early 1990's. I want to be able to use every thing that 2024 offers without the many broken items that are present and have been waiting several years to be fixed. I'm not listing those here as everybody knows the items that are waiting to be fixed. Just look at the lack of people in the forums! If things waiting to be fixed are not fixed in 2025, it will be my last. I have had enough of Biab not keeping up with external progression and broken additions - that's it.
Thank you to everyone who can post any reason why you are not using the Multipicker, because we might learn that something has been overlooked. And thank you to everyone who does not cajole someone because of their reply.
+1 ----------------------------------------------------- I forgot to vote I vote YES
Multipicker Library had been a game changer in many ways for me. It has entire collection of PGM content, all in one place. I can use it to call out any track or any style without mousing and clicking around. On the top of that it's non-modal. I can have it opened on another screen full time and populate tracks on demand, with direct placement in the composition, hearing how it will sound with my chord progression & tempo + other instruments. Since generations in 2024 are extremely fast, it takes only a second or two to generate a track to mixer directly from MTP. I don't have to memorize different designs (older pickers), get stuck in jailed windows. Workflow had improved tremendously and time is saved. MTP does everything I need. I am not missing any features that I used in older modal pickers. Thank you PGM!!!
P.S. To those who say "NO", a gentle reminder please give a specific example to why you are against. Perhaps if it something minor that bothers you and adds benefit, it can be considered by PGM. Simon's post in this thread was optimistic.
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