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Please give the above MIDI substitution a try and see if that delivers something that you are more ideally looking for. It gives long held chords, similar to the vibes in _SMALLHR Style, but can follow the micro-chords you so desire: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28095&filename=2024-06-10_12-38-39.jpg)
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I changed the Vibes track to MIDI using the Vibes from HeldBosa.Sty As I expected, the micro-chords play, because this is MIDI, not a pre-recorded audio passage where no audio was originally recorded at those other beat positions. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28091&filename=2024-06-10_12-32-51.jpg) Thanks again Audio Track for helping! I followed all of your steps above and made the Midi substitution. But.... As soon as I hit either Play or Regen. The substitution changes from what you/I entered to: Piano Custom MIDI Style: 1 Acoustic Piano Even if I FREEZE the track!!! It never stuck to what I changed it to! Anyway. I'm bailing out now on this. I appreciate all the effort you have put into this. I mentioned a few times above that the micro chords are the least important of all the problems I was having. Again the most important thing for me is to get as full a sound as possible, like the Band demos Peter linked to at the beginning of one of these threads. Once I have that I should be able to manage my way to a decent-sounding song.
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Here's the song with the MIDI Vibes substituted. Note that I have frozen the Vibes track. Unfreeze if you want to alter anything / regenerate. Test Song with MIDI VibesGood luck!
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Here's the song with the MIDI Vibes substituted. Note that I have frozen the Vibes track. Unfreeze if you want to alter anything / regenerate. Test Song with MIDI VibesGood luck! Thanks AudioTrack again! Yes, you managed to get the correct Midi vibes to stick (I wasn't able to as I mentioned). But what happened to the Bass part? It's gone when I play the song. I just hear the Vibes and Drums (brushes).
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Thanks AudioTrack again!
Yes, you managed to get the correct Midi vibes to stick (I wasn't able to as I mentioned).
But what happened to the Bass part? It's gone when I play the song.
I just hear the Vibes and Drums (brushes). Try this one: BIAB MIDI Vibes Test Song All I did was unfreeze and regenerate. The Bass is playing OK now on my system. I didn't check the bass previously (too busy getting the vibes right....)
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Also, you might consider opening your original post and marking it 'Resolved', there's a button for that.
I don't believe that this is a bug, it's completely related to the way that the vibes performance has been played in the actual recording of this specific RealTrack audio.
The RealTrack memo includes the statement: "The simple version of Vibes, Rhythm Jazz Sw 110 omits busy riffs and some non-diatonic tensions." The vibes are mostly played as long 'held' chords.
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BiaBman, on a side note you have asked about getting the same or similar sound as on the demos. To do so you will need a few plug-in effects; note NOT the effects that come with BiaB. If you already have good effects then you can just ignore this message. You should have at least the following effects:
1-reverb
2-delay
3-EQ
4-compressor
5-limiter
A good place to start looking for some of these are at waves :
https://www.waves.com/plugins#sort:path~type~order=.default-order~number~asc|views:view=grid-view|paging:currentPage=0|paging:number=18
There are other individual instrument effects that are very helpful.
PS - there are many other companies other than Waves that produce great effects. I just chose them as they are all in one place., Note that I do not work for or represent Waves in any way, I just like and use many of there effects. YMMV
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BiaBman, on a side note you have asked about getting the same or similar sound as on the demos. To do so you will need a few plug-in effects; note NOT the effects that come with BiaB. If you already have good effects then you can just ignore this message. You should have at least the following effects:
1-reverb
2-delay
3-EQ
4-compressor
5-limiter
A good place to start looking for some of these are at waves :
https://www.waves.com/plugins#sort:path~type~order=.default-order~number~asc|views:view=grid-view|paging:currentPage=0|paging:number=18
There are other individual instrument effects that are very helpful.
... Thanks Mario! 👍
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I re-read this thread. I’m wondering if a Pentium Celeron J4105 meets the required minimum specs to run microchords successfully.
But I still think AudioTrack has identified a good reason since this is about vibes. I play vibes. The approach to playing the instrument is to use what it does wonderfully: sustain notes. I don’t think microchords would do a good job chopping up prerecorded audio to stick a sound on a specific short location. I could be wrong on that assumption.
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biabman...re celeron j4105....
re the foollowing if you doubt my advice go to gearspace.com
where studios large and small hang out and ask there for comments re celeron j4105 for music production. cos i dont want to irk anyone..just trying to help.
note the stats on this processir eg single thread around 1100.
i recommend 3000 score for a music creation pc.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J4105+%40+1.50GHz
the above site has great processor comparison stats.
compare on the site the celeron stats and other processors.
eg single thread and math stats.
on the tips forum are tips on acquiring or useing a pc for music production.
note...for a few hundted bucks one can get refurb pc or new pc eg my ryzen mini
pc that blows the doors off. see my tips for more info.
hth someone.
om
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I guess I was sometimes trying to politely identify that this might have been a 'picnic' situation. 
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biabman...re celeron j4105....
re the foollowing if you doubt my advice go to gearspace.com
where studios large and small hang out and ask there for comments re celeron j4105 for music production. cos i dont want to irk anyone..just trying to help.
note the stats on this processir eg single thread around 1100.
i recommend 3000 score for a music creation pc.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+J4105+%40+1.50GHz
the above site has great processor comparison stats.
compare on the site the celeron stats and other processors.
eg single thread and math stats.
on the tips forum are tips on acquiring or useing a pc for music production.
note...for a few hundted bucks one can get refurb pc or new pc eg my ryzen mini
pc that blows the doors off. see my tips for more info.
hth someone.
om Thanks muso. Many here take things for granted.  I mentioned in another thread already that I am very sensitive to EMF's. When I was putting together my new system a few years ago, my number one priority was to get components (CPU etc.) that were low-powered!!! Over the years I noticed that low power translates into low impact on my head! So I would rather have a slower system and put up with all its 'downsides' if it means I will feel and stay healthy.
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Biabman.
very understandeable...
just a couple of shot in the dark ideas.
1...on gearspace.com are a ton of studios large and small.
and also various very very expereienced electonics engineers.
if were me i would start a thread there on gs detailing your emf situation and asking for advice on a new pc with the following attributes....
....very very low emf and
....with a processor with a single thread score around 3000..
2...another idea might be talk to companies that specialise in building turnkey systems for recording studios.
these are often very experienced builders includeing silent pc's...
and might have good ideas re a very very low e.f pc.
once again such builders often hang out on gearspace.
they often hang out also at the reaper.fm forums.
or just google builder of pc's for recording studios.
eg one of many...
!https://silentpc.com/daw/
but such custom pc's might not solve the problem...
but it doesnt hurt to ask...and thus get a written assurance of very low emf.
a final idea is mini pc's are very cheap and now powerfull.
eg my ryzen cost few hundred bucks....and rb reports i can do crazy track counts.
if were me i might contact such companies eg beelink or geekom
or others and see what they can do for you.
maybe also contact pc manufacturers like lenovo or hp or asus or acer
ie their support folks and see if they have any ideas re low emf.
on any purchase i would get assurance that you can return the pc
if in fact it gives you problems....
just some ideas.
i hope you get a solution at some point that addresses emf...
happiness.
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Biabman.
very understandeable...
just a couple of shot in the dark ideas.
1...on gearspace.com are a ton of studios large and small.
and also various very very expereienced electonics engineers.
if were me i would start a thread there on gs detailing your emf situation and asking for advice on a new pc with the following attributes....
....very very low emf and
....with a processor with a single thread score around 3000..
.....
just some ideas.
i hope you get a solution at some point that addresses emf...
happiness.
om Thanks muso I've made a note of your post.
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I re-read this thread. I’m wondering if a Pentium Celeron J4105 meets the required minimum specs to run microchords successfully.
But I still think AudioTrack has identified a good reason since this is about vibes. I play vibes. The approach to playing the instrument is to use what it does wonderfully: sustain notes. I don’t think microchords would do a good job chopping up prerecorded audio to stick a sound on a specific short location. I could be wrong on that assumption. Thanks Matt. You offered two possibilities as to what's causing the problem. I took some extra time now to rule out your first possibility. I took the original commercial recording of the song and merged it with BIAB's version of it. If your theory was correct (my system is too slow to play it properly) then it wouldn't be able to play the commercial recording properly either. But it does play it properly. Please listen to the link below. I have recorded the bars with the 'micro chords' three times for each version. First you'll hear the commercial version and then BIAB. (Of note, the guitar is covering up much of the vibes in these bars, in the commercial version.) As far as your second possibility is concerned, I don't see why a sustained sound can't be chopped up to fit these BIAB <cough> 'triplets'. Original vs. BIAB
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Yes, I don’t know about my second point. It’s just a possibility. It also still may be related to my first point.
About my first point, no, and this reveals a very common misconception. The least powerful PC from 15 years ago with a Realtec chip will play any prerecorded audio file just fine. That just isn’t a useful comparison. What’s harder to understand is that almost any DAW will play back a massive project, if you adjust the playback buffers properly. Here’s the important point: BIAB is not like any other audio program you are likely to use. Although BIAB 2024 greatly improved the generation of RealTracks, BIAB puts a lot of stress on your computer resources to do what it does. The only analogy I’ve seen that comes close is something like Song Master Pro taking many minutes to generate stems when run on an underpowered machine. Make no mistake, your processor is underpowered for what you are doing.
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Make no mistake, your processor is underpowered for what you are doing. Well that's news to me. I've got dozens of apps that I run and none has complained yet. If you are saying that BIAB is complaining when it tries to run the triplets you'll have to prove it to me. That is, take my song, run it on your faster computer, and make a recording of the triplets as they SHOULD sound. When I hear it played like triplets, smoothly I'll believe it!
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I played the drop-box audio.
Question: Is there a reason that it is 33 seconds of audio followed by 7 minutes and 12 seconds of silence?
If I understand correctly, there seems to be a misunderstanding about the 'commercial demo' and BIAB's version. The 'commercial' version is a pre-made audio file. It doesn't need BIAB to generate anything to listen to it. It's a pre-made audio recording. The BIAB demo version needs BIAB to generate and perform the music. Can you follow the difference? It's quite a significant difference.
What did PG Music support say about their demo and why you can't satisfactorily achieve the same result?
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biabman.
i agree with matt...please allow me to point out something.
and please note we all here are sincerely trying to help you.
often people will say to me many many times over the years ...why the hey can i run all my apps on my pc but then music creation apps either crash or go pear shaped on me.
the answer mate is music production apps are completely different than say a email or spreadsheet or other app. totally different coding structures need to be used by the daw programmers.
one extremely important difference is daws and biab are very
time dependent...whereas if there is a bit of a lag re most apps the user wont notice unless it gets really looong.
in summary its all about action and reaction.
in music apps the music app has to always be in INSTANT react mode and one must understand that win is not a real time operating system...
thus the daw programmers use look ahead buffer techniques to create an illusion of quick reaction for the user.
if you want to run a fun test sometime and its a great test of a pc...
in a daws timeline start clicking randomly while tracks play back.and notice how fast the daw and pc react.
now on a couple of tracks you will prolly hear no lag BUT as the track count goes up and/or plugins are added which consume more pc resources youll start to hear a lag as the pc struggles to keep up...until finally everyhing goes pear shaped.
Ie the pc just cant keep up mate.
in summary music apps are doing a ton of things in the background that a normal app isnt doing to create an ILLUSION of instant reaction.
what ive explained to folks in the past is a desert island analogy.
imagine a desert island with 2 people on it and one supply of food...
they are prolly ok while waiting a few days to be rescued...but...
now imagine 100 people on the same island...all hey is gonna break out and fights for the one golden food source....its all about competition for scarce resources.
bottom line is music production is very demanding of pc resources.
particularly as track and plugin counts grow mate.
biab is doing a ton of things in the background lots of normal apps arent. one cant compare the two.
wanna test any pc out ??
heres how i used to do it ...any pc i was thinking of buying i would install a daw on...i had a friendly pc shop...then i would start clicking on the time line after adding tracks and plugins.....and see at what point the lag got bad.
Ie action and reaction.
My very best advice to you biabman...and i mean this in the most friendliest sincerest way is to find a more powrfull low emf pc if you can at some point mate....and make sure you can return it if in fact it doesnt have low emf.
if were me as i said before i would contact refurbishers of pc's...mainstream manufacturers of normal pc's ..mini pc manufacturers ....and particularly most importantly if wereme i would contact builders of computers for recording studios...
eg adkproaudio or studiocat or silentpc and others...and see if they can help. maybe also intel and amd and manufacturers of pc power supplies and ssd storage devices etc etc....ie the parts comprising a pc.
sincerely i hope the above helps.
happiness
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We've just released XPro Styles PAK 7 with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 50 RealTracks and RealDrums that are sure to delight!
With XPro Styles PAK 7 you can expect 25 rock & pop, 25 jazz, and 25 country styles, as well as 25 of this year's wildcard genre: Celtic!
Here's a small sampling of what XPro Styles PAK 7 has to offer: energetic rock jigs, New Orleans funk, lilting jazz waltzes, fast Celtic punk, uptempo train beats, gritty grunge, intense jazz rock, groovy EDM, soulful R&B, soft singer-songwriter pop, country blues rock, and many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 7 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box 2024® with XPro Styles PAK 7! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Watch the XPro Styles PAK 7 Overview & Styles Demos video.
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2024 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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