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Whenever I'm using a MIDI style I can't seem to get the levels to stay where I put them.
I set the levels and then, when I hit the play button, the faders don't move but the levels jump around.
Doesn't matter whether I load an .SGU file, or create a song from scratch or which synth I use as default.
I've used VSTSynthfont64, Roland Sound Canvas VA, TTS-1.
I know that other people have been using this with no issues, so it must be me.
It's not unique to 2024 version, since it's been driving me bonkers for years.
P.S. - I've returned to factory settings, many times.
Any thoughts? Thanks!
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Could you please elaborate on two things you said: ‘faders don’t move’ and ‘levels jump around’.
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Many midi files downloaded from the internet have the initial volume level for each track embedded in the file.
Most times volume (CC7) or expression (CC11) data can be seen and edited using the Event List Editor available in the Window > Notation > Event List Editor. However, the initial values can also be embedded in the file header which is not accessible for editing.
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Many midi files downloaded from the internet have the initial volume level for each track embedded in the file.
Most times volume (CC7) or expression (CC11) data can be seen and edited using the Event List Editor available in the Window > Notation > Event List Editor. However, the initial values can also be embedded in the file header which is not accessible for editing. Jim, I am award of that, but it happens on fresh blank compositions with just chords entered. No events, except notes, in event viewer. And, on imported tracks, I strip all of the volume events Ctrl 7. Thanks.
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Jim, I am award of that, but it happens on fresh blank compositions with just chords entered. No events, except notes, in event viewer. And, on imported tracks, I strip all of the volume events Ctrl 7. Thanks. On imported tracks the volume is not exclusive to CC2, CC7, or CC11. I have some VSTis where I can assign any CC to volume or expression (CC7 and CC11). The only time I had some issues like you are having was when I had a defective MIDI keyboard controller that was sending out CC data, i.e. mod wheel sending CC11 in my case. If you have a MIDI controller attached you might try detaching it and see if the problem continues. If you could send a frozen SGU via the free Dropbox we could look at the file and hopefully see what is happening.
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I appreciate the feedback Thunderthud. I reread your initial post and noticed I read it incorrectly. As you can tell by my first post I thought you meant the initial mixer volume levels are wrong when loading a midi file. I now understand you mean after starting a blank composition. No answer for that one. Matt Findley asked : Could you please elaborate on two things you said: ‘faders don’t move’ and ‘levels jump around’. Answering Matt may clarify what is the best response.
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Good question I have the same problem as you have thunderthud
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It might be helpful to know if you have BIAB 2024 as well, and for both of you, what Build #.
In the original post, I do not understand what faders are being talked about, and would benefit from a fuller description of ‘levels jumping around’.
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It's not about faders... Except after you've moved them to obtain the desired mix...
And then hit PLAY or double click to start playing again...
The levels jump to different levels. Usually up. It doesn't stay put.
Have BIAB 2024 BUILD 1111. BUT this happened on previous versions as well.
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I was able to correctly adjust and save all volume settings for the midi tracks which I believe is what the OP was indicating was not working.
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I'm presuming from the video, Dan, that you could not reproduce the O/P's issue?
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Thunderthud, In "Preferences | Midi Options" there are a couple of volume settings. From what I can tell, these might produce the kind of results you are experiencing if they are not activated. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28342&filename=midi options - preferences.jpg) Also, can you give us an example style with which you have this issue. --Noel
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What Noel shows in the Preferences-Midi Options are the DEFAULT settings which should be set when you do a Return to Factory Settings. These are exactly what I have set during my video.
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Ok. I have done a complete factory reset. Loaded a SGU file from the BIAB user's group, using the Sinatra MIDI style, with no events other than notes and sustains in the event list. Loaded the VSTSynthfont 64 synthesizer as default. Hit play and adjusted my mix. Hit play again and the levels jumped up. Tried adjusting individual tracks, and as I moved them just slightly, the level on that track jumped down. This kind of thing has been typical when using the default synthesizer. If I put a separate synth on individual tracks, they stay put. Sorry, I haven't gotten back to this sooner, been pretty tied up last few days.
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Thunderthud, I just tried Sinatra.sty using the latest version of VSTSythFont64 (ver. 3.501) and PG Music's demos song, and all went well. Out of curiosity, how did you set this synth as your default? I went to "Prefs | MIDI Driver" to set it as default (see graphic below). I also used MME as my audio driver. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28349&filename=default synth BIAB 2024.jpg) --Noel
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Thunderthud, I just tried Sinatra.sty using the latest version of VSTSythFont64 (ver. 3.501) and PG Music's demos song, and all went well. Out of curiosity, how did you set this synth as your default? I went to "Prefs | MIDI Driver" to set it as default (see graphic below). I also used MME as my audio driver. --Noel Set up as yours, except WAS instead of MME
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Last edited by Thunderthud; 07/10/24 07:54 AM.
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I played the song and all volume sliders worked as expected.
I only have two comments:
1) You are not the first to report something misbehaving in BIAB where no one else can reproduce the strange behavior. This has happened with me in the past.
2) WAS has been a serious problem for me in the past with BIAB. My system just goes bonkers when this is used. Please try the MME driver.
Good luck
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I played the song and all volume sliders worked as expected.
I only have two comments:
1) You are not the first to report something misbehaving in BIAB where no one else can reproduce the strange behavior. This has happened with me in the past.
2) WAS has been a serious problem for me in the past with BIAB. My system just goes bonkers when this is used. Please try the MME driver.
Good luck Will try. Thanks....
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I played the song and all volume sliders worked as expected.
I only have two comments:
1) You are not the first to report something misbehaving in BIAB where no one else can reproduce the strange behavior. This has happened with me in the past.
2) WAS has been a serious problem for me in the past with BIAB. My system just goes bonkers when this is used. Please try the MME driver.
Good luck Will try. Thanks.... Yes, WAS has never worked for me either. I have BiaB using MME drivers and my DAW Studio One Pro using ASIO drivers, thus I can use both simultaneously.
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Thunderthud,
The SGU file works fine for me.
If the problem persists when you change to MME, this is what I would try next. It is the ultimate in "factory reset" and sometimes when the resets under Options do not work, this approach does.
1) Under options, save your preferences setting (this means you can easily return to them if needed).
2) Exit all instances of BIAB.
3) Go to \bb\preferences and rename the file intrface.bbw to intrface.bbw.old and MySetup.DK to MySetup.DK.old
4) Restart BIAB. This will force the creation of new setup files.
5) After you have started BIAB, you will need to manually setup you MIDI and Audio drivers. (Do not simply load in the preferences that you saved because any issues that were present in the saved file will overwrite the new files.)
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Is the info in Noel’s post available anywhere that we can just link to it in cases like this? Maybe a post in the Tips and Tricks Forum, or an FAQ?
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Thunderthud,
If the problem persists when you change to MME, this is what I would try next. It is the ultimate in "factory reset" and sometimes when the resets under Options do not work, this approach does.
--Noel Sorry but no cigar. I have placed an audio file at the link below that I recorded by starting playback by double clicking on Bar 1, Then clicking on Play button, and then repeated. (Recorded by loopback of what I was listening to). The drums are real drums and remain at same level. Clicking on Play cause massive volume change, compared to double clicking on Bar to start playback. Would that be a clue? Link to Audio File MP3
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You've patiently tried suggestions, and you've said this happened to you on earlier builds. At this point, I recommend you send an email to support@pgmusic.com and reference this thread.
As Dan mentioned, there have been couple of times a weird problem affected only one person. One example I recall is for only those people running a certain AMD CPU. Some combination of your software and hardware may be doing this just to you.
I do particularly wonder about this statement: "This kind of thing has been typical when using the default synthesizer. If I put a separate synth on individual tracks, they stay put. "
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Just an F.Y.I.
I had to revert to "WAS" instead of "MME", since MME was causing "Stuttering" issues.
This occurred consistently when I'd adjust mixer faders, and also when playback was started.
Reverting to "WAS" fixed the issue immediately.
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Just an F.Y.I.
I had to revert to "WAS" instead of "MME", since MME was causing "Stuttering" issues.
This occurred consistently when I'd adjust mixer faders, and also when playback was started.
Reverting to "WAS" fixed the issue immediately. Indeed. good news. Could you please open your original post and mark it as 'Resolved'? There's a button for that. This can assist other users in the future.
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a bit confused.... are you saying you fixed the volume slide problems by switching from WAS to MME and then back to WAS? Or did you fix the MME stuttering by going back to WAS? What problem did you fix?
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a bit confused.... are you saying you fixed the volume slide problems by switching from WAS to MME and then back to WAS? Or did you fix the MME stuttering by going back to WAS? What problem did you fix? Nope . It did NOT fix the problem I originally mentioned in this thread! My fix was for a suggestion given here to switch to MME. This caused a new problem of stuttering, unrelated to original issue. Sorry, that I caused confusion.
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Hi Thunderthud.
I've pretty much reached the end of my ideas in relation to your problems.
Out of curiosity, do you run dual (or more) monitors? I've noticed from issues here on the forum that multiple monitors can sometimes create issues.
Also, have you tried running BIAB in 32-bit mode to see if the problem still exists. (To start 32-bit BIAB, go to your \bb folder and double-click on BBW.EXE.)
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No, Don't run dual monitors. But will check out 32 bit version to see if different. Thanks.
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No, Don't run dual monitors. But will check out 32 bit version to see if different. Thanks. Do keep us in the loop if the 32 bit change resolves anything. Your issue seems to be curious indeed.
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No, sorry the 32 bit version behaves the same way. Thanks.
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Just a thought.......if you open the BIAB file in RB do you get tthe same problem? if you set the volumes and then save as a BIAB file does it behave when you reopen in BIAB?
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Just a thought.......if you open the BIAB file in RB do you get tthe same problem? if you set the volumes and then save as a BIAB file does it behave when you reopen in BIAB? First... I don't have the same problem when opening the file in RB, moving the faders, then hitting play, etc. Levels stay where I put them. Same synth, VSTSynthfont64. And, yes I do have the same issue when saved in RB, then opened in BIAB. The mixer levels don't hold and stay where I put them. Thanks!
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well at least that seems to rule out volume changes embedded in the midi - or at least seems to. from your earlier posts, seems you have had this problem for a while. i'm out of suggestions - any experts with any ideas why RB behaves and BIAB doesns't?
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I just scanned this thread. Maybe I may have overlooked it but if I didn't what is your audio interface, commonly called sound card? Also are you using the same drivers in RB as in BiaB?
Hopefully you are not using the Realtek sound card; they are good for audio play back and movies/tv but not for music creation. If you are using an other audio interface you can increase your buffers to eliminate the MME stuttering.
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Hi... I gave this topic a rest for a while... But, still having this issue.... but only with VSTSynthfont64.
Got new computer, fresh installation.
I set VSTSynthfont64, as the default synthesizer (eithher the version supplied by BIAB, or the current version 3.601),
Levels jump from where I set them, when I hit play. (Doesn't happen, with same songs, if using Coyote or TTS-1 as the default synth).
If I import a MIDI file to the Melody track and install a separate instance of VSTSoundsyth64 on the melody track, it works like a dream (On that track and not using a default synthesizer).
Just can't use it as the default synth. VSTSyntfont64, sounds so much better.
Also, similar issue in Realband.
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Hi Thunderthud. I've just tested Synthfont64 (3.601) and I could re-create the problem (I only tried BIAB and the volume sliders in the mixer). It seems as though BIAB is not sending the volume setting of the mixer through to the synth when (re)Play is pressed. (The volume adjusts fine when the song is playing.) The position of the slider doesn't change when 'Play' is pressed, but the instrument on the track plays at the original volume and ignores the volume setting. I'll report this to the PG Music team. --Noel UPDATE: I've just tried it again, and now it is working fine. This is weird. I'll see if I can find out why it didn't work and then did work  If anyone else is curious and wants to test it, below is what I did. 1) Set VSTSynthfont64 (v3.601) as the default synth.
2) I loaded the demo song for ST_ELMO.STY (a MIDI-only style) and generated and played the song.
3) I soloed the Piano track and set the volume to zero on the mixer.
4) Then I pressed "Play" to replay the song without generating.
5) Even though the volume on the mixer was set to zero, the piano track played at the original volume.
Last edited by Noel96; 10/30/24 03:32 PM.
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