Here's another video tutorial how to use the ACW. Although Mr. Henry's tutorial is more than 35 minutes and specific to extrapolate the chords from an audio file of a popular song, the first 16 minutes clearly demonstrate how to the get -L-'s exactly right on the WAV form.
This video was posted 3 years ago and has more than 37,000 views with 178 positive comments. Read the video's comments please. I didn't see a single request to re-code the ACW, eliminate the integration of the tempo map to the Chord Sheet or to refine the ACW. It earned a B- grade from Mr. Henry.
Charlie, thanks i will watch it and see what i get. I am not suggesting a full recode, but there is some shaky results from time ti time. 37,000 watches and 178 positive comments is less than a half percent. I have been using the ACW for many years i have gotten a few positive results but more often than not it is frustrating. I have used it in BiaB and RB. There are others here who have experienced the same thing. i have used tempo mapping in at least three different DAWs as well. You and anyone else can post all the positive from others you can find. I am willing to learn more. What i am telling PGM is that it has some peculiar behavior at times. I am not the only one who has noticed that moving Bar lines in ACW works but often it battles you as it constantly causes other lines to move off their position. I did a project in Mixbuss and used their tempo mapping. It was simple and didn't have as many cool tools as BiaB but it did work and seemed to be learning as it went. In the end the results were pretty good. I am trying to get PGM to take a look at improving the tool one more time. I can't understand why there is so much resistance to improvement.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.
Charlie i went and listened to Henry's video and I get what he was trying to do, but in reality, his bar lines were dreadfully off in the video. I know he was trying to get a basic overview but to say the tempo was right on and explain that the intro was different than the rest of the song when the difference was that he never synced the bars to the proper tempo. The last time he played the song before moving on to the chord analysis he kept saying Boom for each bar and in the video, you could plainly see that the lines were nowhere near the downbeat of the track. I would imagine that if he did try to line it up the video would have taken hours! Why because the lining up process would fight you till you were exhausted.
What happens is that when you start lining them up after doing the auto marking it seems to be going well but as you progress down the song it begins to get harder and one move messes up another. soon you have a varied tempo. So, you use the equalize tempo button and now they are all off again or at least some of them, so you fight with it and fight with it and at some point, after about two or three hours you throw your hands up and quit!
Bottom line is it works sort of, but it could use a bit of attention. The ACW is an incredible tool, but like a lot of tools in BiaB it is not fully polished.
Last edited by Rob Helms; 07/18/2405:19 AM.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.
Good morning Rob. I hate the tutorial wasn't much of a benefit to you. I didn't get your point about the views and positive comments percentage value. The intent of mentioning those numbers was with as much positive feedback that others got from the video, there might be some value in the video for you. I agree the ACW is an incredible and valuable tool and wish you the best getting your struggles worked out.
Barlow thanks for the video it did help to a degree. I learned two things. 1. You can get the job done, and 2. It still needs some refinement. From many other’s comments it is clear this is not just my struggle. The tools are there but they can be very frustrating.
In Henry’s video it is so crystal clear that his bar line after about the first half dozen are no where near the down beat. He keeps saying “boom” for every bar but they are not a boom they are way off. Yes he can walk thru the hours of time and effort needed to make them all line up. But he admits that is too much for a short video. I have texted this tool quite extensively for three days now after having used it in the past and yes I got fairly decent results after three painful hours. It shouldn’t be that hard! As you line stuff up things you already did go out of alignment. Back and forth until you almost give up and decide that it is as good as it will get.
Here is what I found out after a lot of hard work. If you want to use it to map a popular song the you can get it fairly close but at some point you are going to dump the wave file and run with the created .sgu to get a song bed for that song so yes that is possible. If you want to add a wave file to so g your i for a wrestle of a life time. I also watched the video PGM put out of the Shenandoah song they got reasonable results but it is in reality harder than that video makes it out to be. I watched a video of doing the same thing In Harrison Mixbus they have a simple process with very targeted tools. Simple but effective.
The reference to the positive reviews was to point out that 178 positive reviews from 37,000 views is a very small sample set of people’s opinions.
Again thanks for your time.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.
In Henry’s video it is so crystal clear that his bar line after about the first half dozen are no where near the down beat. He keeps saying “boom” for every bar but they are not a boom they are way off.
You're most probably correct, but it's worth remembering with videos like these that the process of making the video can cause some apparent skewing and other effects.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
In Henry’s video it is so crystal clear that his bar line after about the first half dozen are no where near the down beat. He keeps saying “boom” for every bar but they are not a boom they are way off.
You're most probably correct, but it's worth remembering with videos like these that the process of making the video can cause some apparent skewing and other effects.
I dont think that's the problem in this case, I think Rob is speaking about this
Audio and video are synced, but bars on the ACW are clearly not correctly positioned on the down beat.
Audio Edit/ACW is a very good tool however there are some quirks.
OP:s comment on things moving around among already edited bars is likely to be a lack of understanding of the relation between User and Auto generated bar lines.
Working with alignment of non consistent tempo is a fairly quick operation. Start out like Henry C does with some bar lines and have it autogenerate the remainder of the song. What Henry doesn't do is to adjust when it gradually goes out of sync. So it just question of checking e.g. every 8 bars and move to the appropriate position and the bar lines to left will adjust accordingly. Continue and the song should be ok in a couple of minutes if it's a fairly consistent recording. Will take a bit more time if it's very sloppy time wise.
OP:s comment on things moving around among already edited bars is likely to be a lack of understanding of the relation between User and Auto generated bar lines.
I'm pretty sure everybody here knows the difference between user and automatically added bars in ACW, that's definitely not the problem.
I did it just like Henry did I always add the first 6 bars or so then ad auto marking. Then begin to try to align the rest of the bars.
Look I admit that the ACW has some good results. However it still can be rather shaky. I’m not new to this process I have used ACW since inception. Beta tested it through the last few upgrades. It is both better and not better. Even the chord detection depends upon the value of the wave file. The more complicated the less effective it is. I tried a live Wave file this morning from a friend and it struggled to detect the chords. The problem was the bad quality of the wave.
The bar detection works and gets you close but it does not just line up like some say. As cerio’s link and Henry’s video clearly shows. Henry admitted that it can be hours of work.
Henry was showing how to create a BiaB file for a popular song. The best method for this is line up a few bars, auto mark it get it close as possible and then move on to the chords detection and then dump the wave file and work with what you have. For that it is fine.
Next I go to a good simple internet chord file for the song and fix the over complicated chords that were detected. Oh but Rob, it does a great job detecting chords you say. Yes but it sometimes adds to those chords from the tangle of instruments in the song.
End results are still super useful.
Last edited by Rob Helms; 07/21/2407:26 PM.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows® Today!
If you’ve already purchased Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®, great news—a new update is now available! This update introduces a handy new feature: a vertical cursor in the Tracks window that shows the current location across all tracks, and more.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®: Boot Camp: The AI Lyrics Generator
With Band-in-a-Box 2025® for Windows®, we've introduced an exciting new feature: the AI Lyrics Generator! In this video, Tobin guides you step-by-step on how to make the most of this new tool.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®: Boot Camp: The AI Lyrics Generator video.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®: Using VST3 Plugins
Band-in-a-Box 2025® for Windows® now includes support for VST3 plugins, bringing even more creative possibilities to your music production. Join Simon as he guides you through the process in this easy-to-follow demonstration!
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®: Using VST3 Plugins
Video: Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows: Using The BB Stem Splitter!
In this video, Tobin provides a crash course on using the new BB Stem Splitter feature included in Band-in-a-Box 2025® for Windows®. During this process he also uses the Audio Chord Wizard (ACW) and the new Equalize Tempo feature.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows®: Using the BB Stem Splitter
Check out the forum post for some optional Tips & Tricks!
Congrats to Misha (Rustyspoon)…downloaded/installed a full Audiophile 2025!
Breaking News!
We’re thrilled to announce that Rustyspoon has made PG history as the very first person to successfully complete the download and install of the full Band-in-a-Box 2025 Windows Audiophile Edition (with FLAC files)—a whopping 610GB of data!
A big shoutout to Rustyspoon for stepping up to be our test "elf!"
With the launch of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows, we're adding new videos to our YouTube channel. We'll also share them here once they are published so you can easily find all the Band-in-a-Box® 2025 and new Add-on videos in one place!
Whether it's a summary of the new features, demonstrations of the 202 new RealTracks, new XPro Styles PAK 8, or Xtra Styles PAKs 18, information on the 2025 49-PAK, or detailed tutorials for other Band-in-a-Box® 2025 features, we have you covered!
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Windows is here, packed with major new features and an incredible collection of available new content! This includes 202 RealTracks (in Sets 449-467), plus 20 bonus Unreleased RealTracks in the 2025 49-PAK. There are new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 4, two new sets of “RealDrums Stems,” XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAK 19, and more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 with savings of up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special—available until December 31, 2024! Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
2025 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some incredible Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Windows 2025 packages, but for even more Add-ons (including 20 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.
If you have any questions, feel free to connect with us directly—we’re here to help!
One of our representatives will be happy to help you over the phone. Our hours of operation are from
6:00AM to 6:00PM PST (GMT -8) Monday thru Friday, and 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST Saturday. We are closed Sunday. You can also send us your questions via email.
One of our representatives will be happy to help you on our Live Chat or by email. Our hours of operation are from
6:00AM to 6:00PM PST (GMT -8) Monday thru Friday; 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST (GMT -8) Saturday; Closed Sunday.
![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28407&filename=Captura de pantalla 2024-07-20 221228.png)
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean