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But yes, absolutely I do use the tracks for finished, professional level projects. Some of my music with exclusively BB tracks have been in film and TV shows. They are just that good. That is *very* encouraging and, frankly, what I wanted to hear.
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Matt Finlay wrote a post on this some time ago and the thread is still relevant Thanks. Nicely spelled out there. I'll probably stick with the UltraPak for now and maybe switch to the Audiophile version in the future once I have a better feel for a workflow.
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You can see that in this video. Very interesting and a great jazz feel in that track. So everything BiaB except for the soloing guitar? I can see the extensive editing that you did. A lot of splicing and moving things around to get the syncopation and time signature you wanted. Very cool. I need to factor that into my thought processes and final workflow. Great work.
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By the way, I just found out today that an animated movie I made independently some time around 2013 was just accepted on Tubi! While I made it years ago, I believe it remains a fun watch and story. Although it is animation, it is not really a comedy (though there are some funny parts), but more like a science fiction thriller with the feel of a Tintin story, if you like. I figured, while I was reading over everyone's comments who were kind enough to answer my questions about BiaB (which I have found enlightening, I would include the link while I am here. Shameless plug I guess, and not necessarily about BiaB, but please excuse me. Today I am excited it got onto Tubi and I my enthusiasm has boiled over. Incidentally, I wrote and recorded the theme song and also created the entire musical score. Back then I was using Cubase, although now I use Studio One. The theme song has a nice jazz feel to it (bass, drums, piano and a violin and clarinet of all things) while the score has a lot of other things going on. I believe I used Miroslav Philharmonik for the orchestral parts in the score. Maybe I will use BiaB on future productions. The full theme song is played at the beginning and parts of it are echoed in the score with different instrumentation. If you have a little time, I would appreciate a watch of the film since it will no doubt help Tubi's algorithm push the film. Even if you don't finish watching it or you don't have enough time to spend (about an hour), I would appreciate it if you please let it finish until the end. However, you may enjoy the picture and will get a kick out of it. For those who watch the film and enjoy it, I would appreciate it if you would press the Like button. Here is the link: https://tubitv.com/movies/100026302/the-mind-machineThanks for everything and cheers! Joe.
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned here about mixing BiaB tracks; your Ultrapak also includes a DAW called Realband that has most of the BiaB features (including regenerating) and handles odd time signatures MUCH better than BiaB.
May want to take a peek at it.
It looks like BiaB interface as far a visual style (Old school), but offers many unique features.
I sometimes get the main song styles/tracks in BiaB, move to RB to flesh it out, and then to another DAW for finishing, although many times I just start in RB to begin with, since it has a more DAW like interface and most of the features.
A few of us here work like that.
They are still 'BiaB' tracks, just created in a different environment.
For me, the RB workflow was MUCH easier to learn and accept than BiaB, mainly due to preconceived workflows I was used to.
TBH, BiaB workflow still frustrates me at times, which is why, even when I use it, I move to RB pretty quickly.
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Your Ultrapak also includes a DAW called Realband that has most of the BiaB features (including regenerating) and handles odd time signatures MUCH better than BiaB. It looks like BiaB interface as far a visual style (Old school), but offers many unique features.
I sometimes get the main song styles/tracks in BiaB, move to RB to flesh it out, and then to another DAW for finishing, although many times I just start in RB to begin with, since it has a more DAW like interface and most of the features. A few of us here work like that.
They are still 'BiaB' tracks, just created in a different environment. For me, the RB workflow was MUCH easier to learn and accept than BiaB, mainly due to preconceived workflows I was used to.
TBH, BiaB workflow still frustrates me at times, which is why, even when I use it, I move to RB pretty quickly. This is really interesting. I've heard very little about RealBand (I mean very little and I never cracked it open). From what little I understood about it, it was some kind of DAW, as you said, but since I already use a separate DAW, I have been kind of ignoring it (until now anyway). I had no idea that you can generate the BiaB tracks in RealBand. And also that it has a more intuitive interface for doing so. Can you do things like hold or push beats? It seems that when you said regeneration works in it that you can generate solos in it and seem to be implying that you prefer working in it in general. Are there things it can't do? Does anyone else around here prefer working in RealBand?
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You can see that in this video. Very interesting and a great jazz feel in that track. So everything BiaB except for the soloing guitar? No. Everything BIAB. The solo guitar has since been replaced — maybe, if the client likes the new track. I can see the extensive editing that you did. A lot of splicing and moving things around to get the syncopation and time signature you wanted. Very cool. I need to factor that into my thought processes and final workflow. Great work. It’s not as much as it looks. I had to cut in different spots among the tracks to include the associated beats in a group but then I moved them all together. Every edit was centered on the drum downbeat. As you can see by comparing to the metronome, they often fell on either side of the click — again, all BIAB and I was not going to disturb the feel by quantizing. What you don’t see is the guitar track I used as a guide (originally recorded to that click). By using those hits instead of centering equally between the metronome marks, the result has a more musical feel. Near the end, he made one hit in the mathematical center—I was so surprised that I double-checked to make certain t wasn’t my mistake.
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[quote=Animas3D This is really interesting. I've heard very little about RealBand (I mean very little and I never cracked it open). From what little I understood about it, it was some kind of DAW, as you said, but since I already use a separate DAW, I have been kind of ignoring it (until now anyway). I had no idea that you can generate the BiaB tracks in RealBand. And also that it has a more intuitive interface for doing so. Can you do things like hold or push beats? It seems that when you said regeneration works in it that you can generate solos in it and seem to be implying that you prefer working in it in general. Are there things it can't do? [/quote] In general, yes to all questions, RB can do things BiaB can't and vice versa, so I was just suggesting give it a try. As for the question of whether others prefer it, I'd say yes, some do, but many users (like you) never even know it exists. There is a dedicated Realband forum here on the site also, so some RB questions may receive better answers there. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=33&page=1
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To the OP,
Normally, I wouldn’t feel the need to post this but since we don’t know your OS or anything else about you…
RealBand is Windows only. Because GarageBand is free, the decision was made long ago not to port RB to the Mac.
You will notice that most of us have our “essentials” (OS, BIAB version and year and anything we think others should know etc.) in our signatures. I recommend that you do the same. Click on your name in the upper right corner and you should see how to get to that page. You are allowed 255 characters & spaces and can also upload a picture or avatar.
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Good call Mike, now we know.
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I use BIAB Real Tracks the way guitarhacker (Herb), Tom Adams, Floyd Jane, and Janice & Bud showed me and taught me here in these forums. Every production I've ever shared contains Real Tracks that were generated and exported multiple times, either in BIAB or in Real Band, and then imported and edited in Sonar or Studio One to fit the song.
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We consider BiaB tracks (RTs, RDs & MSTs) to be our personal Wrecking Crew. 😀 And that crew along with collab friends has resulted in a number of licensed songs and a respectable number of placements on streaming playlists. So for us it’s BiaB to Logic Pro for mixing and that includes comping multiple BiaB track regens into a final track that supports the nuances of our tune.
We love that crew!
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We consider BiaB tracks (RTs, RDs & MSTs) to be our personal Wrecking Crew. 😀 And that crew along with collab friends has resulted in a number of licensed songs and a respectable number of placements on streaming playlists. So for us it’s BiaB to Logic Pro for mixing and that includes comping multiple BiaB track regens into a final track that supports the nuances of our tune.
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I use BIAB Real Tracks the way guitarhacker (Herb), Tom Adams, Floyd Jane, and Janice & Bud showed me and taught me here in these forums. Every production I've ever shared contains Real Tracks that were generated and exported multiple times, either in BIAB or in Real Band, and then imported and edited in Sonar or Studio One to fit the song. I've changed the way I work now that BB has utility tracks ( no need to go into RB to make additional tracks ) and with the VST plug in capability, I still do all my composing and structure in BB but I now close BB and then open it in the VST. I then use the utility tracks if I haven't already add them, and simply drag and drop the WAV into the DAW track. It saves HD space by not having to create a folder for the wav file tracks. I like the new streamlined way of working much better.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I stopped using RB also. In BIAB, I export each regeneration of the RT as a wav to a folder and then bring those files into Studio One.
A while back Rustyspoon (Misha) explained partial regen, but I didn't really see the benefit because the workflow seemed the same to me, just with shorter RT's. And I never know exactly what I want until after I record and comp vocals in the DAW and start listening to everything together.
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You may be missing the beauty of RB; you can do vocals, comp and continue to generate as the flow develops ..
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You may be missing the beauty of RB; you can do vocals, comp and continue to generate as the flow develops .. Meh... Those of us on the Mac have never had RB. Once upon a time, I thought it might be nice but with the release of the DAW plug-in in 2018, I got over that.
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Don't try to make me feel bad for Mac people, ain't happening <grin>
You get lots of other stuff for free
Garageband, (is Audition still free?) etc.
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No need for pity. I have no need for anything that Windows does exclusively. I live in Silicon Valley and Windows Support was a day gig for many years. I'm good where I am now. (is Audition still free?) Audition is an Adobe product. Definitely not free. Are you thinking of Audacity, perhaps? Now part of Muse Group, recent versions are much better and it's still free. Not so many Mac users into it what with GarageBand being supported by Apple and, if you want a pro app with telephone and screen sharing support, Apple's Logic Pro X for $200 is very good.
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