Hello everybody. I bought BIAB a few years ago and have been learning it off and on since then.
The question I have, as a musician and songwriter that usually records music into a DAW (Studio One) is how, at this point in 2024, most, or many, BIAB users conceive of the software and where it fits into their production pipelines.
When I first heard about BIAB, some time before I acquired it, I was under the impression that it was a practice tool that instrumentalists (or singers) could use to hone their craft, practice melodies, learn how to improvise, or perhaps use as a songwriting tool.
Once you had enough practice, or finished writing your song, I figured that you would then need to record the song with accomplished musicians or use high end virtual instruments to create backing tracks for final mixes or song releases. Or maybe you would use the output directly from Band In a Box if you were doing things like having karaoke night with your pals or playing on the boardwalk next to the beach.
With what I have learned about RealTracks, it seems that, with PG Music's hiring of professional musicians to make them, as well as listening to some of the accompanying demos, the question arises whether the perception of the software among serious BIAB users, no doubt some of whom contribute to this forum, has evolved from it being a practice and songwriting tool to the exporting of stems or tracks to be used in the final mix inside your DAW for mixing and mastering into final releases (along with any virtual instruments you may need to enhance or extend the sound).
That kind of workflow would certainly save me a lot of time.
Thus my question is this: Has there been a shift on how people think about BIAB from a practice tool or using it to work out songs to an actual source of quality tracks that can be used in a final mixes?
How do people on this forum use the software and think about it? I would love to know your thoughts on this. Do the majority of you use it to practice your instruments and write songs and re-record the backing tracks later, or would you not hesitate to insert the parts into your DAW directly from BIAB and mix them in the final session? How do you think they hold up?
Joe, there's not a single answer to your questions, but BiaB is certainly used to provide backing tracks in a DAW, and the results can be impressive. I'd suggest listening to some songs in the User Showcase forum. There you can hear the results of other users and (usually) see the BiaB credits for the various tracks. You'll see/hear the spectrum from very select BiaB support (eg, drums only) to 100% BiaB backing. You'll certainly get other points of view on this, but I think BiaB is a powerful tool, suitable for final mixes. Welcome to the forums, and...have fun! Ron
DC Ron BiaB Audiophile Presonus Studio One StudioCat DAW dual screen Presonus Faderport 16 Too many guitars (is that a thing?)
I've never used BIAB as a practice tool. I first bought it in 2012 and my song productions went pretty much instantly from zero to hero! I use it on the majority of my songs sometimes as the complete band! I've sold a lot of my originals in the royalty free market. BIAB Is so much more than a practice tool!
Thus my question is this: Has there been a shift on how people think about BIAB from a practice tool or using it to work out songs to an actual source of quality tracks that can be used in a final mixes?
I can only speak for myself of course, but I use RealTracks for the final production. I used to produce and mix local bands, and compared to their almost unsalvageable trainwrecks of recordings , RealTracks are REALLY good. Good as in "professional musicians recorded by a professional sound engineer".
Some of them need a little love to shine, but in general they are very usable. And if I can't find anything suitable for the song at hand, I can still record my own stuff.
....................................... Do the majority of you use it to practice your instruments and write songs and re-record the backing tracks later, or would you not hesitate to insert the parts into your DAW directly from BIAB and mix them in the final session? How do you think they hold up? Thank you and cheers! Joe.
Hi Joe,
I am in the minority here as I use the MIDI side of BiaB. Virtually all of my songs start in BiaB and after I have my chord progression down and my style picked I immediately import them in my DAW, also Studio One Pro. I do very little work in BiaB and most all of my work in my DAW. There I choose my sounds and record my part(s). Thus to answer your questions I use BiaB about 98% of the time for song composing and 2% for practicing. I think BiaB's MIDI tracks hold up very well in my songs but you can be the judge of that by listening to my songs in the Showcase forum.
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Hard for me to answer. Normally, if BIAB is on my screen, a client is being charged. Sometimes, I'm using the Audiophile Real Tracks; other times I'm using MIDI and VIs. Lately, I'm using the DAW plug-in in Digital Performer, again with my own VIs (many of the BIAB libraries are available, however, and I do use them now and then).
Even when I'm using the Real Tracks and Drums, I export everything into DP where I edit the overall feel and correct bass lines. BIAB rarely gets descending bass notes right but they are quite easy to edit for pitch and length in most DAWs.
Joe, there's not a single answer to your questions, but BiaB is certainly used to provide backing tracks in a DAW, and the results can be impressive. I'd suggest listening to some songs in the forum. There you can hear the results of other users and (usually) see the BiaB credits for the various tracks. You'll see/hear the spectrum from very select BiaB support (eg, drums only) to 100% BiaB backing. You'll certainly get other points of view on this, but I think BiaB is a powerful tool, suitable for final mixes. Welcome to the forums, and...have fun! Ron
Thank you Ron, I will spend some more time listening to the to the songs showcased in the forums. So basically are you saying that those showcased songs feature parts directly generated from BiaB and not that BiaB was used just in pre-production, correct?
Also, I was intrigued by what you said that some people use it only for the drums (is that RealDrums?) I was originally inquiring mostly about instrumental tracks and kind of forgot about drums. Are the drum tracks generated from BiaB exceptionally good? Is that an important aspect that should not be overlooked?
I've never used BIAB as a practice tool. I first bought it in 2012 and my song productions went pretty much instantly from zero to hero! I use it on the majority of my songs sometimes as the complete band! I've sold a lot of my originals in the royalty free market. BIAB Is so much more than a practice tool!
Good to know John. I will keep an eye out for some of your music. Thanks!
I can only speak for myself of course, but I use RealTracks for the final production. I used to produce and mix local bands, and compared to their almost unsalvageable trainwrecks of recordings , RealTracks are REALLY good. Good as in "professional musicians recorded by a professional sound engineer".
Some of them need a little love to shine, but in general they are very usable. And if I can't find anything suitable for the song at hand, I can still record my own stuff.
Thank you B.D. That would be great if as you say: "RealTracks are as good as pro musicians recorded by a pro engineer". I look forward to trying it for myself but wanted to guage the community first and get a concensus. By giving them a little love, I am assuming that you mean adding EQ, saturation, delay, etc. As you say, nothing is stopping one from recording their own tracks. And that seems to be the nice thing about BiaB, you don't have to take every track.
Hi Joe, I am in the minority here as I use the MIDI side of BiaB. Virtually all of my songs start in BiaB and after I have my chord progression down and my style picked I immediately import them in my DAW, also Studio One Pro. I do very little work in BiaB and most all of my work in my DAW. There I choose my sounds and record my part(s). Thus to answer your questions I use BiaB about 98% of the time for song composing and 2% for practicing. I think BiaB's MIDI tracks hold up very well in my songs but you can be the judge of that by listening to my songs in the Showcase forum.
This is interesting Mario. So basically, are you saying that you are not really interested so much in the RealTracks but the MIDI tracks (or do you somehow convert the RealTracks/RealDrums into MIDI?). Or are they "MIDI SuperTracks" and that is what they were and will stay.
Just so I understand your workflow correctly, you are not using it just for practicing and songwriting, but you would then bring BiaB generated MIDI into your DAW (the bass, drums, organ, etc.) and apply your Virtual instruments to it and build the final track that way. I also use a lot of MIDI. This is also a good thing...
I'll check out your tunes. So no Realtracks, just MIDI and VST?
Hard for me to answer. Normally, if BIAB is on my screen, a client is being charged. Sometimes, I'm using the Audiophile Real Tracks; other times I'm using MIDI and VIs. Lately, I'm using the DAW plug-in in Digital Performer, again with my own VIs (many of the BIAB libraries are available, however, and I do use them now and then).
Even when I'm using the Real Tracks and Drums, I export everything into DP where I edit the overall feel and correct bass lines. BIAB rarely hets descending bass notes right but they are quite easy to edit for pitch and length in most DAWs.
Thanks Mike. That is fascinating as well. So you are using RealTracks and MIDI. Hmm. I don't think I have the Audiophile RealTracks. I believe I have the UltraPak. Maybe it would be worth the investment based on my results. They must be much larger in size. Where do you store all of them? Is there a very noticeable improvement in quality. What are the UltraPak tracks, MP3? What is the difference exactly?
By the way, are you saying that the BIAB VST Libraries are available in your DAW and you can use them there? That is pretty cool. Are there any you think are worth mentioning?
The only thing I question is that when you said that even when you are using the RealTracks and Drums you edit the feel and correct bass lines in your DAW. Do you mean that you edit the generated waveforms by slicing them up and moving them around so that they hit at the right time, or are you talking more about FX, or might you somehow be converting the RealTracks to MIDI and editing them that way? Thanks I am still in the research phase preparing for some new music I want to produce and am trying to learn as much as I can at this point.
By the way, I am listening to the PG Music Band-in-a-Box Radio and think the songs sound great! I still am not sure what I am hearing is BiaB and what is something else, but I am noticing that some of the songs have production notes, so I will try to delve in there.
This is interesting Mario. So basically, are you saying that you are not really interested so much in the RealTracks but the MIDI tracks (or do you somehow convert the RealTracks/RealDrums into MIDI?). Or are they "MIDI SuperTracks" and that is what they were and will stay.
I rarely use RTs or RDs, however they are a tool that for me does come in handy on occasions. If the RT/RD has a line under it in the chord window view then that RT/RD includes a MIDI track and I use it. If said RT does not have a line under it and I would like to use it as MIDI I run the RT through Melodyne to convert it to MIDI. I mostly use BiaB MIDI tracks and the MIDI Super Tracks though.
Originally Posted by Animas3D
Just so I understand your workflow correctly, you are not using it just for practicing and songwriting, but you would then bring BiaB generated MIDI into your DAW (the bass, drums, organ, etc.) and apply your Virtual instruments to it and build the final track that way. I also use a lot of MIDI. This is also a good thing...
I'll check out your tunes. So no Realtracks, just MIDI and VST?
Yes, I bring the BiaB MIDI tracks into my DAW, assign a VSTi to said track, and sometimes modify the track. By modify I mean cut and paste and/or write/play sections and/or change the chord inversion or add/correct chord notes, etc.
Most all of my songs are MIDI only along with my playing parts, i.e guitar, keyboard, bass, etc. But on a rare occasion I will use an RT or two.
I hope this helps.
Have you ever noticed there are no lines to a bathroom at a water park?
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
......................................... By the way, I am listening to the PG Music Band-in-a-Box Radio and think the songs sound great! I still am not sure what I am hearing is BiaB and what is something else, but I am noticing that some of the songs have production notes, so I will try to delve in there.
Thanks!
If you listen to the songs in the Showcase forum most people list what BiaB tracks they use. The listings include MIDI tracks (RTs and RDs), what MIDI VSTis they used, what they played, etc.
Have you ever noticed there are no lines to a bathroom at a water park?
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
If you listen to the songs in the Showcase forum most people list what BiaB tracks they use. The listings include MIDI tracks (RTs and RDs), what MIDI VSTis they used, what they played, etc.
Thank you Ron, I will spend some more time listening to the to the songs showcased in the forums. So basically are you saying that those showcased songs feature parts directly generated from BiaB and not that BiaB was used just in pre-production, correct?
Correct
Originally Posted by Animas3D
Also, I was intrigued by what you said that some people use it only for the drums (is that RealDrums?) I was originally inquiring mostly about instrumental tracks and kind of forgot about drums. Are the drum tracks generated from BiaB exceptionally good? Is that an important aspect that should not be overlooked?
I only used "drums" as an example of a limited BiaB application. I use BiaB drums exclusively, and am pleased with the results I can get. But some users prefer to use other percussion sources, like EZDrummer. So...it depends.
DC Ron BiaB Audiophile Presonus Studio One StudioCat DAW dual screen Presonus Faderport 16 Too many guitars (is that a thing?)
The main reason I bought BB back around 2008 was to get access to a good sounding steel guitar.. I knew another musician in the Cakewalk forum at the time who was using some really cool drum and bass tracks in his music. When I asked about how he did his drums he responded with band in a box. Curiosity got me and I went to the PG website. What I saw and heard sold me. I quickly learned about the real tracks and have been using them in my production ever since.
I have never used BB as a practice tool. In fact, all the other features are essentially untouched. My sole purpose for BB is song creation, structure, and track rendering.
Previously , BB was limited to 5 tracks per style. So I used real band to render additional tracks not in the basic style. When they added utility tracks, I didn't have a reason to use real band for anything.
I probably only use about 10% of BB's capabilities. But what I do use packs a powerful wallop.
Now with vst capabilities, I'll often just build my structure and then open BB as a get to generate the tracks with drag and drop convenience. If I don't like the track I delete it from the DAW and use BB get to try a different track and repeat the process until I get something that works.
With the vst, my workflow has changed slightly.
But yes, absolutely I do use the tracks for finished, professional level projects. Some of my music with exclusively BB tracks have been in film and TV shows. They are just that good.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
I can only speak for myself of course, but I use RealTracks for the final production. I used to produce and mix local bands, and compared to their almost unsalvageable trainwrecks of recordings , RealTracks are REALLY good. Good as in "professional musicians recorded by a professional sound engineer".
Some of them need a little love to shine, but in general they are very usable. And if I can't find anything suitable for the song at hand, I can still record my own stuff.
By giving them a little love, I am assuming that you mean adding EQ, saturation, delay, etc. As you say, nothing is stopping one from recording their own tracks. And that seems to be the nice thing about BiaB, you don't have to take every track.
Yep, it's mostly EQ, and of course the reverb I use for the other tracks to have some consistency here.
Thanks Mike. That is fascinating as well. So you are using RealTracks and MIDI. Hmm. I don't think I have the Audiophile RealTracks. I believe I have the UltraPak. Maybe it would be worth the investment based on my results. They must be much larger in size. Where do you store all of them? Is there a very noticeable improvement in quality. What are the UltraPak tracks, MP3? What is the difference exactly?
If you have the Ultrapak, then it's not the audiophile version. The audiophile version is now a bit over 2TB.
It doesn't make a huge difference just straight out of BiaB, but people who do much processing after BiaB often say it's then signficant. That's pretty reasonable if one is making high-quality productions, perhaps less so for stuff going on, say, YouTube.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2024 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
[quote=Mike Halloran] … The only thing I question is that when you said that even when you are using the RealTracks and Drums you edit the feel and correct bass lines in your DAW. Do you mean that you edit the generated waveforms by slicing them up and moving them around so that they hit at the right time…
That's exactly what I'm saying.
You can see that in this video. It started with a couple of live guitars but the client wanted it in a different key. I found that _OLDBOPSTY had the sounds I wanted but everything was straight 4/4 when I needed a few bars in 6/4 and there was no syncopation in the drum part. You'll see the metronome at the top and my edits in DP. The bass and piano do have some nice hits vis a vis the drums so I edited the 5 tracks to match the original parts but based my timing on the drums leaving the other four in the same relative position. I did stretch the piano and bass to cover silences that would have been obvious had I not done so You can't see which were stretched, likewise, you can't tell which bass notes were pitch-corrected.
I later transposed the original guitars which matched perfectly. They sound weird on their own so they are mixed low. My co-producer played a more conventional lead guitar but the client hasn't heard it—he loved the BIAB track, however (I'm fine either way). Since I made this video to demonstrate BIAB, none of that is included nor the vocals.
Thanks Mike. That is fascinating as well. So you are using RealTracks and MIDI. Hmm. I don't think I have the Audiophile RealTracks. I believe I have the UltraPak. Maybe it would be worth the investment based on my results. They must be much larger in size. Where do you store all of them? Is there a very noticeable improvement in quality. What are the UltraPak tracks, MP3? What is the difference exactly?
If you have the Ultrapak, then it's not the audiophile version. The audiophile version is now a bit over 2TB.
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It doesn't make a huge difference just straight out of BiaB, but people who do much processing after BiaB often say it's then signficant. That's pretty reasonable if one is making high-quality productions, perhaps less so for stuff going on, say, YouTube.
I agree, the YouTube compression algorithms make any differences negligible.
Otherwise, for my work, Audiophile is the only choice. I'm told that my 70 year old ears can't hear the difference but once that audio goes through my normal process, it's quite noticeable.
But yes, absolutely I do use the tracks for finished, professional level projects. Some of my music with exclusively BB tracks have been in film and TV shows. They are just that good.
That is *very* encouraging and, frankly, what I wanted to hear.
Matt Finlay wrote a post on this some time ago and the thread is still relevant
Thanks. Nicely spelled out there. I'll probably stick with the UltraPak for now and maybe switch to the Audiophile version in the future once I have a better feel for a workflow.
Very interesting and a great jazz feel in that track. So everything BiaB except for the soloing guitar?
I can see the extensive editing that you did. A lot of splicing and moving things around to get the syncopation and time signature you wanted. Very cool. I need to factor that into my thought processes and final workflow. Great work.
By the way, I just found out today that an animated movie I made independently some time around 2013 was just accepted on Tubi!
While I made it years ago, I believe it remains a fun watch and story. Although it is animation, it is not really a comedy (though there are some funny parts), but more like a science fiction thriller with the feel of a Tintin story, if you like.
I figured, while I was reading over everyone's comments who were kind enough to answer my questions about BiaB (which I have found enlightening, I would include the link while I am here. Shameless plug I guess, and not necessarily about BiaB, but please excuse me. Today I am excited it got onto Tubi and I my enthusiasm has boiled over.
Incidentally, I wrote and recorded the theme song and also created the entire musical score. Back then I was using Cubase, although now I use Studio One. The theme song has a nice jazz feel to it (bass, drums, piano and a violin and clarinet of all things) while the score has a lot of other things going on. I believe I used Miroslav Philharmonik for the orchestral parts in the score. Maybe I will use BiaB on future productions.
The full theme song is played at the beginning and parts of it are echoed in the score with different instrumentation.
If you have a little time, I would appreciate a watch of the film since it will no doubt help Tubi's algorithm push the film. Even if you don't finish watching it or you don't have enough time to spend (about an hour), I would appreciate it if you please let it finish until the end. However, you may enjoy the picture and will get a kick out of it.
For those who watch the film and enjoy it, I would appreciate it if you would press the Like button.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned here about mixing BiaB tracks; your Ultrapak also includes a DAW called Realband that has most of the BiaB features (including regenerating) and handles odd time signatures MUCH better than BiaB. May want to take a peek at it.
It looks like BiaB interface as far a visual style (Old school), but offers many unique features.
I sometimes get the main song styles/tracks in BiaB, move to RB to flesh it out, and then to another DAW for finishing, although many times I just start in RB to begin with, since it has a more DAW like interface and most of the features. A few of us here work like that.
They are still 'BiaB' tracks, just created in a different environment. For me, the RB workflow was MUCH easier to learn and accept than BiaB, mainly due to preconceived workflows I was used to.
TBH, BiaB workflow still frustrates me at times, which is why, even when I use it, I move to RB pretty quickly.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!
Your Ultrapak also includes a DAW called Realband that has most of the BiaB features (including regenerating) and handles odd time signatures MUCH better than BiaB. It looks like BiaB interface as far a visual style (Old school), but offers many unique features.
I sometimes get the main song styles/tracks in BiaB, move to RB to flesh it out, and then to another DAW for finishing, although many times I just start in RB to begin with, since it has a more DAW like interface and most of the features. A few of us here work like that.
They are still 'BiaB' tracks, just created in a different environment. For me, the RB workflow was MUCH easier to learn and accept than BiaB, mainly due to preconceived workflows I was used to.
TBH, BiaB workflow still frustrates me at times, which is why, even when I use it, I move to RB pretty quickly.
This is really interesting. I've heard very little about RealBand (I mean very little and I never cracked it open). From what little I understood about it, it was some kind of DAW, as you said, but since I already use a separate DAW, I have been kind of ignoring it (until now anyway).
I had no idea that you can generate the BiaB tracks in RealBand. And also that it has a more intuitive interface for doing so. Can you do things like hold or push beats? It seems that when you said regeneration works in it that you can generate solos in it and seem to be implying that you prefer working in it in general. Are there things it can't do?
Does anyone else around here prefer working in RealBand?
Very interesting and a great jazz feel in that track. So everything BiaB except for the soloing guitar?
No. Everything BIAB. The solo guitar has since been replaced — maybe, if the client likes the new track.
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I can see the extensive editing that you did. A lot of splicing and moving things around to get the syncopation and time signature you wanted. Very cool. I need to factor that into my thought processes and final workflow. Great work.
It’s not as much as it looks. I had to cut in different spots among the tracks to include the associated beats in a group but then I moved them all together. Every edit was centered on the drum downbeat. As you can see by comparing to the metronome, they often fell on either side of the click — again, all BIAB and I was not going to disturb the feel by quantizing.
What you don’t see is the guitar track I used as a guide (originally recorded to that click). By using those hits instead of centering equally between the metronome marks, the result has a more musical feel. Near the end, he made one hit in the mathematical center—I was so surprised that I double-checked to make certain t wasn’t my mistake.
[quote=Animas3D This is really interesting. I've heard very little about RealBand (I mean very little and I never cracked it open). From what little I understood about it, it was some kind of DAW, as you said, but since I already use a separate DAW, I have been kind of ignoring it (until now anyway).
I had no idea that you can generate the BiaB tracks in RealBand. And also that it has a more intuitive interface for doing so. Can you do things like hold or push beats? It seems that when you said regeneration works in it that you can generate solos in it and seem to be implying that you prefer working in it in general. Are there things it can't do? [/quote]
In general, yes to all questions, RB can do things BiaB can't and vice versa, so I was just suggesting give it a try.
As for the question of whether others prefer it, I'd say yes, some do, but many users (like you) never even know it exists.
There is a dedicated Realband forum here on the site also, so some RB questions may receive better answers there.
Normally, I wouldn’t feel the need to post this but since we don’t know your OS or anything else about you…
RealBand is Windows only. Because GarageBand is free, the decision was made long ago not to port RB to the Mac.
You will notice that most of us have our “essentials” (OS, BIAB version and year and anything we think others should know etc.) in our signatures. I recommend that you do the same. Click on your name in the upper right corner and you should see how to get to that page. You are allowed 255 characters & spaces and can also upload a picture or avatar.
I use BIAB Real Tracks the way guitarhacker (Herb), Tom Adams, Floyd Jane, and Janice & Bud showed me and taught me here in these forums. Every production I've ever shared contains Real Tracks that were generated and exported multiple times, either in BIAB or in Real Band, and then imported and edited in Sonar or Studio One to fit the song.
We consider BiaB tracks (RTs, RDs & MSTs) to be our personal Wrecking Crew. 😀 And that crew along with collab friends has resulted in a number of licensed songs and a respectable number of placements on streaming playlists. So for us it’s BiaB to Logic Pro for mixing and that includes comping multiple BiaB track regens into a final track that supports the nuances of our tune.
We consider BiaB tracks (RTs, RDs & MSTs) to be our personal Wrecking Crew. 😀 And that crew along with collab friends has resulted in a number of licensed songs and a respectable number of placements on streaming playlists. So for us it’s BiaB to Logic Pro for mixing and that includes comping multiple BiaB track regens into a final track that supports the nuances of our tune.
We love that crew!
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I use BIAB Real Tracks the way guitarhacker (Herb), Tom Adams, Floyd Jane, and Janice & Bud showed me and taught me here in these forums. Every production I've ever shared contains Real Tracks that were generated and exported multiple times, either in BIAB or in Real Band, and then imported and edited in Sonar or Studio One to fit the song.
I've changed the way I work now that BB has utility tracks ( no need to go into RB to make additional tracks ) and with the VST plug in capability, I still do all my composing and structure in BB but I now close BB and then open it in the VST. I then use the utility tracks if I haven't already add them, and simply drag and drop the WAV into the DAW track. It saves HD space by not having to create a folder for the wav file tracks. I like the new streamlined way of working much better.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
I stopped using RB also. In BIAB, I export each regeneration of the RT as a wav to a folder and then bring those files into Studio One.
A while back Rustyspoon (Misha) explained partial regen, but I didn't really see the benefit because the workflow seemed the same to me, just with shorter RT's. And I never know exactly what I want until after I record and comp vocals in the DAW and start listening to everything together.
You may be missing the beauty of RB; you can do vocals, comp and continue to generate as the flow develops ..
Meh...
Those of us on the Mac have never had RB. Once upon a time, I thought it might be nice but with the release of the DAW plug-in in 2018, I got over that.
No need for pity. I have no need for anything that Windows does exclusively. I live in Silicon Valley and Windows Support was a day gig for many years. I'm good where I am now.
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(is Audition still free?)
Audition is an Adobe product. Definitely not free.
Are you thinking of Audacity, perhaps? Now part of Muse Group, recent versions are much better and it's still free. Not so many Mac users into it what with GarageBand being supported by Apple and, if you want a pro app with telephone and screen sharing support, Apple's Logic Pro X for $200 is very good.
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LyricLab (by Joanne Cooper) is an AI-powered tool designed to quickly create lyrics and chords to fit your music. Just enter a rough idea of your lyrics, and let the AI bring them to life. Once you're happy with the results, simply import the LyricLab file into Band-in-a-Box® 2024 or newer. From there, you can pick your style and generate melodies to match your song’s chords!
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Wir waren fleißig und haben über 50 neue Funktionen und eine erstaunliche Sammlung neuer Inhalte hinzugefügt, darunter 222 RealTracks, neue RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, abspielbare RealTracks Set 3, abspielbare RealDrums Set 2, zwei neue Sets von "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK & 7, Xtra Styles PAK 17 & 18, und mehr!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 apporte plus de 50 fonctions nouvelles ainsi qu'une importante de contenus nouveaux à savoir : 222 RealTracks, des RealStyles nouveaux, des SuperTracks MIDI, des Etudes d'Instruments, des Prestations d'Artistes, des "Morceaux avec Choeurs", un Set 3 de Tracks Jouables, un Set 2 de RealDrums Jouables, deux nouveaux Sets de "RealDrums Stems", des Styles XPro PAK 6 & 7, des Xtra Styles PAK 17 & 18, et bien plus encore!
New! XPro Styles PAK 7 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 7 with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 50 RealTracks and RealDrums that are sure to delight!
With XPro Styles PAK 7 you can expect 25 rock & pop, 25 jazz, and 25 country styles, as well as 25 of this year's wildcard genre: Celtic!
Here's a small sampling of what XPro Styles PAK 7 has to offer: energetic rock jigs, New Orleans funk, lilting jazz waltzes, fast Celtic punk, uptempo train beats, gritty grunge, intense jazz rock, groovy EDM, soulful R&B, soft singer-songwriter pop, country blues rock, and many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 7 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box 2024® with XPro Styles PAK 7! Order now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2024 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box version 2024 is here with 200 brand new styles to take for a spin!
Along with 50 new styles each for the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, we’ve put together a collection of styles using sounds from the SynthMaster plugin!
In this PAK you'll find: dubby reggae grooves, rootsy Americana, LA jazz pop, driving pop rock, mellow electronica, modern jazz fusion, spacey country ballads, Motown shuffles, energetic EDM, and plenty of synth heavy grooves! Xtra Style PAK 18 features these styles and many, many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 18 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Expand your Band-in-a-Box 2024® library with Xtra Styles PAK 18! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 18 here.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 18 requires the 2024 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box version 2024 is here with 200 brand new styles to take for a spin!
Along with 50 new styles each for the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, we’ve put together a collection of styles using sounds from the SynthMaster plugin!
In this PAK you'll find: dubby reggae grooves, rootsy Americana, LA jazz pop, driving pop rock, mellow electronica, modern jazz fusion, spacey country ballads, Motown shuffles, energetic EDM, and plenty of synth heavy grooves! Xtra Style PAK 18 features these styles and many, many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 18 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Expand your Band-in-a-Box 2024® library with Xtra Styles PAK 18! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 18 here.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 18 requires the 2024 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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