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Link: A Dream Within A Dream Version 2: A Dream Within A Dream (A BIG "thank you" to Ray for his suggestions to improve the prosody of the lyrics.) A reply to one of Floyd's songs (see here https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=819525#Post819525) gave me the idea to write a song about the old Descartes quote “I think, therefore I am”. Do I _really_ exist or am I just part of a dream? Or a dream within a dream? Or an AI gone wild? Since this is a deeply philosophical question, I've decided NOT to write another radio-friendly pop song that will never be played on the radio. This song is, um, something else (and will never be played on the radio). For lack of a suitable genre (at least I couldn't find anything suitable), I'll call this "Symphonic Theatrical Punk" until I'm told otherwise. Poor man's Richard Wagner or something. It may not be to everyone's taste, but I had a lot of fun writing it and got (most of) the lyrics for free from a guy in the US of A, so how could I resist? Lessons learned:- I am definitely not Elton John. It is NOT easy for me to write music to existing lyrics.
I'm not wired that way
I admire him for that gift - Poe's prosody doesn't lend itself to songs. It was never meant to be abused in this way by an unworthy fellow from Germanistan.
Had a hard time making this sound musical. - It's a bit out of my comfort zone, but as they say "no risk no fun", and I learned a lot and that alone was worth the effort
- almost maxed out my DAW. A symphonic orchestra needs juicy hardware.
- for a long time I didn't know _at all_ if I could make this song work, or if the puzzle was just TOO big for me to solve.
Feedback (the good, the bad and the ugly) as always highly appreciated. As always, a BIG thank you to Marty for taking the time to listen to my WIP and give me feedback. Some technical information:Style: BOTTLE.STY The band:Bass: 2754 Drums: BluesRockEv + SkaSlow70sWes Piano: 1533 Guitars: 697, 648, 3623, 3738, 3931, 4387, 4388, 522 + myself Viola: 2336 Violin: 2512 Synths, church organ, symphonic orchestra and other shebang: yours truly Vocals: Goldmania Bella Mixed by B.D. Thomas You can find the lyrics in the next post.
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Title: A Dream Within A Dream
(Intro)
All we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream
A dream
A dream
A dream
(Verse)
Take my kiss upon the brow
And, in parting from you now
Thus much let me avow
You are not wrong, who deem
That my days have been a dream
Yet if hope has flown away
In a night, or in a day
In a vision, or in none
Is it therefore the less gone?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream
(Chorus)
A dream
A dream
A dream
Is all we see or seem
(Verse)
I stand amid the roar
Of a surf-tormented shore
And I hold within my hand
Grains of the golden sand
How few yet how they creep
Through my fingers to the deep
While I weep in my sleep
O God! Can I not grasp
Them with a tighter clasp?
O God! Can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?
(Chorus)
A dream
A dream
A dream
Is all we see or seem
(Verse)
In the silence, there's a scream
Echoes shatter through a dream
Lost in shadows, lost in time
A silent crime
I'll rise, or will I fall?
Fading echoes of a soul
Every whisper, every cry
Fades like an eerie, sinister lullaby
(Bridge)
O God! Can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream?
(Chorus)
A dream
A dream
A dream
Is all we see or seem
(Bridge)
O God! Can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream?
(Outro)
A dream
A dream
A dream
A dream
Is all we see or seem
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Although I know this Descartes fellow from the Cartesian Coordinate System, he certainly was quite the French philosopher and dreamer indeed; great subject for a song. Very enjoyable listen, I could see ABBA doing this. Great mix, great job. Cogito, ergo sum 
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Brain, well, pretty sure this is the first time Descartes and Poe have gotten together on a tune. Ha! For a song that's out of your comfort zone, it all sounds impressively fluid and coherent. Love everything about this. The vocals are especially expressive and perfect for this genre, whatever it's called. The arrangement and mix are spot on, too. Well done!
The "radio-friendly pop song that will never be played on the radio" line hit a little close to home, but I'll get over it. Eventually. Ha (again)!!
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Quite a cool composition....symphonic rock. Right from the opening, I knew I was in for a treat. I'd say you were very successful in creating a song from those "lyrics" and in creating one awesome production.
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This is a complex composition comprising many parts, yet because the seamless transition between those parts, it succeeds as a coherent whole.
As for Poe (poor man) I don't rate him highly as a philosopher. His thoughts and questions (in this poem), though neatly framed, don't go nearly deep enough.
Comfort zones are for the faint-hearted. It's only when we step out of them that we begin to discover our true potential.
Great job!
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1st thought was that I'd have edited the ah from the end of words during the intro spoken section.
2nd the synth reading of "...surf-tormented.." was very rushed/concertinaed/unnatural.
I don't hear any punk in this - some meaty guitar sections that are more like Quarterflash or the synth/orchestral Emo perhaps.
I like the music - pretty cool!
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Totally enjoyable...and right up my alley lyrically speaking. I loved that "one from the pitiless wave" shift. The mood had a very interesting contrast between dream-like calm and waking angst. Sorry I can't offer much in regards to the production of it...not my area...though Ghostgum wrote seamless and I thought that word fit well.
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You Think and Dream.
Therefore, you make Music.
Good music.
Well thought out music.
Excellent Arrangement & Production.
You'd give Elton a run for his money.
An impressive effort.
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Everything I would have said has already been said so all I can add is that this is an absolute masterpiece.
I think this is in your comfort zone, you just didn't know it until now.
Loved it
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Although I know this Descartes fellow from the Cartesian Coordinate System, he certainly was quite the French philosopher and dreamer indeed; great subject for a song. Very enjoyable listen, I could see ABBA doing this. Great mix, great job. Cogito, ergo sum Thank you BT! I wasn't thinking of ABBA when I wrote that, but I'm sure they could pull it off. Better than me, anyway
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Brain, well, pretty sure this is the first time Descartes and Poe have gotten together on a tune. Ha! For a song that's out of your comfort zone, it all sounds impressively fluid and coherent. Love everything about this. The vocals are especially expressive and perfect for this genre, whatever it's called. The arrangement and mix are spot on, too. Well done! Thanks Ron ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/images/icons/default/thumbs_up.gif) It was a bit more difficult than my normal songs, but when it clicked and everything fell in place, it was much more satisfying. The "radio-friendly pop song that will never be played on the radio" line hit a little close to home, but I'll get over it. Eventually. Ha (again)!! You and I should start a radio station. "Fail-FM" or so 
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B.D...that was cool!...great conception or dream or what ever inspired this...super track...from ethereal to rock to classical to chamber to rock...really great journey for us...a wonderful "dreamscape"...man that must have been a ton of work...this maybe your genre...whatever it is...read the reviews...we loved it!
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Really interesting tune and arrangement (That means I liked it).
Must have taken you a while and a lot of thought.
Well done.
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Quite a cool composition....symphonic rock. Right from the opening, I knew I was in for a treat. I'd say you were very successful in creating a song from those "lyrics" and in creating one awesome production. Thank you for your nice comment, Scott! I think you're right, symphonic rock seems to be a genre that fits.
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This is a complex composition comprising many parts, yet because the seamless transition between those parts, it succeeds as a coherent whole.
As for Poe (poor man) I don't rate him highly as a philosopher. His thoughts and questions (in this poem), though neatly framed, don't go nearly deep enough.
Comfort zones are for the faint-hearted. It's only when we step out of them that we begin to discover our true potential.
Great job! Thanks, Brian, for listening and your kind feedback. I actually like Poe more for his fictional works than his poetry, but the latter are easier to set to music. I wouldn't call him a philosopher.
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1st thought was that I'd have edited the ah from the end of words during the intro spoken section.
2nd the synth reading of "...surf-tormented.." was very rushed/concertinaed/unnatural.
I don't hear any punk in this - some meaty guitar sections that are more like Quarterflash or the synth/orchestral Emo perhaps.
I like the music - pretty cool! Ray, that's the perfect feedback I need when I'm in doubt. If your first thought is to end the spoken part with “a dream ... dream ... dream ...”, it's worth a try, I'll see if it works better. Good idea! “surf-tormented shore” was a struggle because I found absolutely no reference to the prosody when this is sung. My favorite was “surf <beat> tormented shore”, but I didn't think it was right because the adjective is “surf-tormented”, so it should be sung together. If you (or anyone else) confirms that the pause between “surf” and “tormented” is fine, I'll be happy to change it. I think the version Marty heard was like that. Thanks a ton, that's really helpful
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Brain,
Love this song... It has such a beautiful grand feel. Awesome production and mix.
Really great stuff!
Bob
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Really good man! Beautiful!!
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Excellent!
Love the Dream within a Dream concept.
So many layers in this! Really well done!
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This is really excellent, Brian. Very creative. You have the knack of getting good results from SynthV.
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Hi, B.D. Yep, setting poems to music is quite a challenge - especially if you're used to going the other way around. I took a couple swings at setting poems, but went the "wrong way around". That way, I could justify mangling the lines to make them fit into the pre-existing form. So I'm doubly impressed, you stayed to the text without taking liberties and did a bang-up job in the process. Lots of variety, cool sounds. Nicely done! 
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Nice work. Really nice production choices and good tone for the guitars. I'm not familiar with the singer but nice voice although a bit stiff in places.
While it's never gonna be in the top 40 on the radio, it's still a very nice creative song and well done. More creativity in this song than you would hear in an hours worth of listening to the radio.
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Totally enjoyable...and right up my alley lyrically speaking. I loved that "one from the pitiless wave" shift. The mood had a very interesting contrast between dream-like calm and waking angst. Sorry I can't offer much in regards to the production of it...not my area...though Ghostgum wrote seamless and I thought that word fit well. Thanks BYOBand for listening and your nice comment. Much appreciated!
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You Think and Dream.
Therefore, you make Music. You're quite a philosopher yourself, Floyd. Love your statement above! Good music.
Well thought out music.
Excellent Arrangement & Production.
You'd give Elton a run for his money.
An impressive effort.
fj I'm glad that you and others also seem to enjoy my, ahem, more adventurous expeditions into non-pop worlds. Thank you for your nice comment. Much appreciated!
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Renee only mentioned the first part, cogito ergo sum; the second part is donec essem. I think, therefore I am --until I was. Hey, as long as you think you are, then that is your reality. Once you stop thinking, you aren't. Think about it. What radio plays these days is so different than what it played yesterday, so ya never know. Besides, who listens to the radio anymore? hehe Your risk with this one pays HUGE rewards, imo. You already KNOW I love this. I think it's fantastic. So well written, and the prodcution is outstaning. Everything pro level.
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Everything I would have said has already been said so all I can add is that this is an absolute masterpiece.
I think this is in your comfort zone, you just didn't know it until now.
Loved it Thanks Mario. Your comment makes me smile
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B.D...that was cool!...great conception or dream or what ever inspired this...super track...from ethereal to rock to classical to chamber to rock...really great journey for us...a wonderful "dreamscape"...man that must have been a ton of work...this maybe your genre...whatever it is...read the reviews...we loved it! Thanks a lot for listening and your really kind words. The song wasn't actually more work than my “normal” songs, it's probably just a bit more obvious that there's a lot going on.
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Really interesting tune and arrangement (That means I liked it).
Must have taken you a while and a lot of thought.
Well done.
Vic Thanks, Vic, for listening and your comment. As I wrote above to firesong, it took about as much time and thought as my regular pop songs. With the latter, there are a lot of things you only notice when I leave them out, so it's less obvious.
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Congratulation, very ambitious write and the end result is amazing success. A complex pop-rock opera song which kind I have rarely heard. Very inviting intro. Great arrangement with varied instruments, I admire the way you have managed to use organ, piano, acoustic and electric guitars and violins together so that their placement sounds natural and organic. And the vocals sound convincing in the recognizable BD style, you have made the lyrics your own. Also nice variation in the singing style. I'm sure this will be played on radio, at least on my Spotify Radio I think that by commenting I'm now part of your dream, so in that logic you really exist on one level, be it a dream or not Janne
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Brain,
Love this song... It has such a beautiful grand feel. Awesome production and mix.
Really great stuff!
Bob Thanks Bob “Grand” was one of the things I was looking for, and I'm very glad it works that way for you.
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Really good man! Beautiful!! Thank you, David. Glad something with more than 4 chords and not in G major works for you too
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Whether it is symphonic rock or rock opera, it is very good.
The alternating between soft and pretty to gritty is very effective.
Janice said still gets chill bumps just thinking about Poe’s “The Cask of Amontillado” that she read in high school.
Excellent mix and even more so considering the number of tracks. Wow.
Kudos for both the audio and video production!
BD dreamed big and achieved success.
Enjoyed it,
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Excellent!
Love the Dream within a Dream concept.
So many layers in this! Really well done! Thank you, Dave. As always, your feedback is much appreciated
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This is really excellent, Brian. Very creative. You have the knack of getting good results from SynthV. Thanks Wao for listening and your nice feedback. Mucho appreciated!
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Hi, B.D. Yep, setting poems to music is quite a challenge - especially if you're used to going the other way around. I took a couple swings at setting poems, but went the "wrong way around". That way, I could justify mangling the lines to make them fit into the pre-existing form. So I'm doubly impressed, you stayed to the text without taking liberties and did a bang-up job in the process. Lots of variety, cool sounds. Nicely done! Thank you, David. I didn't know what I was getting myself into, but it was a good learning experience. And the fact that I don't really know what I'm doing has never stopped me
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Nice work. Really nice production choices and good tone for the guitars. I'm not familiar with the singer but nice voice although a bit stiff in places.
While it's never gonna be in the top 40 on the radio, it's still a very nice creative song and well done. More creativity in this song than you would hear in an hours worth of listening to the radio. Thanks, Herb, for your really encouraging comment The next beer's on me!
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Renee only mentioned the first part, cogito ergo sum; the second part is donec essem. I think, therefore I am --until I was. Hey, as long as you think you are, then that is your reality. Once you stop thinking, you aren't. Think about it. What radio plays these days is so different than what it played yesterday, so ya never know. Besides, who listens to the radio anymore? hehe Your risk with this one pays HUGE rewards, imo. You already KNOW I love this. I think it's fantastic. So well written, and the prodcution is outstaning. Everything pro level. Thank you Marty for listening again. You have no idea how much your feedback and encouragement helps me to release new songs without worrying too much about what others might say or think. Double thanks for that!
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Hi Brain,
I heard your first draft, but forgot to reply. To tell you the truth, it was a nice song, but it didn't move me much, while most of your songs do.
And in between I wasn't able to respond.
Now I hear this version and yes! It touched that snare again!!!
Great song, very good performance between the vocals and the band, not to say 'impressive'.
Hans
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Congratulation, very ambitious write and the end result is amazing success. A complex pop-rock opera song which kind I have rarely heard. Very inviting intro. Great arrangement with varied instruments, I admire the way you have managed to use organ, piano, acoustic and electric guitars and violins together so that their placement sounds natural and organic. And the vocals sound convincing in the recognizable BD style, you have made the lyrics your own. Also nice variation in the singing style. I'm sure this will be played on radio, at least on my Spotify Radio I think that by commenting I'm now part of your dream, so in that logic you really exist on one level, be it a dream or not Janne Thank you Janne for your really nice and detailed feedback But how do you know that I'm not part of YOUR dream?
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Whether it is symphonic rock or rock opera, it is very good.
The alternating between soft and pretty to gritty is very effective.
Janice said still gets chill bumps just thinking about Poe’s “The Cask of Amontillado” that she read in high school.
Excellent mix and even more so considering the number of tracks. Wow.
Kudos for both the audio and video production!
BD dreamed big and achieved success.
Enjoyed it,
J&B Thanks a lot, Janice and/or Bud, for your really encouraging feedback, especially on the production side of things. As always, I really appreciate you taking the time to listen to my music!
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This is some of the best conceptual writing and arranging I've heard in a very long time.
Complex, thought-provoking, and amazing! Congrats on a wonderful production!
Alan
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B.D.,
I agree that the lyrics are somewhat philosophical, but the melody is very pop.
Your song's characteristics are apparent throughout.
The pipe organ at the beginning of the intro clearly shows how much you love that instrument.
And the vocals are as wonderful as always.
Enjoyed my listen and watch a lot.
Best regards.
Shigeki Adachi
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Hi Brain,
I heard your first draft, but forgot to reply. To tell you the truth, it was a nice song, but it didn't move me much, while most of your songs do.
And in between I wasn't able to respond.
Now I hear this version and yes! It touched that snare again!!!
Great song, very good performance between the vocals and the band, not to say 'impressive'.
Hans Thank you Hans for listening to the remixed version as well, I really appreciate it. You made my day
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This is some of the best conceptual writing and arranging I've heard in a very long time.
Complex, thought-provoking, and amazing! Congrats on a wonderful production!
Alan I think I'll print out your comment and put it on the wall for my wife to see Thanks Alan!
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Hi BD. This was great listening. I like the genre classification of Symphonic Theatrical Punk There are some amazing lyrics within this creation. My favourite verse is... In the silence, there's a scream
Echoes shatter through a dream
Lost in shadows, lost in time
A silent crime
I'll rise, or will I fall?
Fading echoes of a soul
Every whisper, every cry
Fades like an eerie, sinister lullaby Those last two lines are brilliant! Kudos on the arrangement and the production, too. Everything sits together and flows so well. All the best, --Noel
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B.D.,
I agree that the lyrics are somewhat philosophical, but the melody is very pop.
Your song's characteristics are apparent throughout.
The pipe organ at the beginning of the intro clearly shows how much you love that instrument.
And the vocals are as wonderful as always.
Enjoyed my listen and watch a lot.
Best regards.
Shigeki Adachi Thank you for taking the time to listen and comment, Shigeki Adachi. Much appreciated!
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Hi BD. This was great listening. I like the genre classification of Symphonic Theatrical Punk There are some amazing lyrics within this creation. My favourite verse is... In the silence, there's a scream
Echoes shatter through a dream
Lost in shadows, lost in time
A silent crime
I'll rise, or will I fall?
Fading echoes of a soul
Every whisper, every cry
Fades like an eerie, sinister lullaby Those last two lines are brilliant! Kudos on the arrangement and the production, too. Everything sits together and flows so well. All the best, --Noel Thank you for listening and your really nice feedback, Noel. I blushed a little because the verse you like best is the one I wrote myself, the first two are by Edgar Allan Poe 
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