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Understanding BIAB Styles

I grew up with the Yamaha Arranger Style system. I am finding it hard to understand the Biab Style system and how to adjust the style.

How do I create changes in the style like Variations 1,2,3,4 in Yamaha and insert them in the desired location on the chord sheet. I have been able to do few basic things but I am not getting the overall concept.

Is there any video on this or specific things written this subject ?


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Hi JBran.

  • As you would be aware of, Band In A Box uses Realtracks and Realdrums as well as MIDI to create backing accompaniments.
  • Realtracks, Realdrums and SuperMIDITracks are actual live performances of session musicians played across many chords in a number of keys.
  • When BIAB creates an accompaniment from these tracks, the software searches through a recording and extracts those sections that relate to a particular chord on the chord sheet.
  • The software then randomly chooses from these sections copies and pastes chords together to create an accompaniment that matches the chords on the chordsheet.
  • In BIAB, a "style" is literally a collection of instruments that work together to create a particular band sound.
  • To change a style from a BIAB perspective, means to change the instrumental line-up but adding different Realtracks, MIDI tracks or Realdrums.


With the above in mind...

In BIAB, it's not possible to choose a particular section of the raw audio that you would like to use. If there is some aspect of a track generation that you do not like, what you do to change that is use either partial regeneration (regenerate across a range of bars) or complete regeneration of the track. Part markers can also be used to create rhythmic breaks that lead from one section to another. Part markers are the blue and green boxes that highlight bar numbers.

If you go to the link below, PG Music have many videos on various aspects of BIAB. These may help.

https://www.pgmusic.com/videos.bbwin.htm

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Almost all styles have two substyles, A & B. Part Markers can toggle between the two substyles. The "A" part marker selects song sections with less energy like a verse. "B" is more energetic.

You can use and select more than one style in a song project. That's called a multistyle. Right click on a bar number and the right click menu lists the name of the "A" & "B" substyles. The right click menu also lists "define c/d". Select "define c/d" and the StylePicker opens where you can select another style. The "A" substyle of the selected style will use part marker "C" in the song project and the "B" substyle will use "D".[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]

Using the right click menu you can have a total of 12 styles with each style having two substyles. By selecting similar styles you can have up to 24 substyles with all the instrument and feel variations each substyle provides.


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Thanks for the explanations and advice. This is great help for me.
I guess I have to give up my arranger approach and adapt to The Biab system.

This a great program but there is so many options .

I wonder if anyone has come up with flow chart or a visual representation of style management in Biab ?

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JBran,

If you are familiar with using a spreadsheet program the StylePicker allows all the StylePicker data to be saved in a tab-delimited text file. The text file can be imported into a spreadsheet and manipulated.

To create the text file open the StylePicker, select Options and Copy List To Clipboard. From the BiaB StylePicker Help file:
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Copy List to Clipboard: This menu item saves the current list with all information to a tab-delimited text file and opens it in Notepad. In Notepad copy all and paste it into a spreadsheet such as an Excel file. You can then apply a hierarchical sorting of the list.

FYI, the RealTracks Picker can also create a tab-delimited text file. Open the RealTracks Picker and select the Copy List button.

Create a two page Band-in-a-Box spreadsheet with one page for Styles and the second for RealTracks. Then you'll be able to sort and add comments as much as you want.

To the best of my knowledge the F7 MultiPicker does not have a button that will create a tab-delimited text file.

User and forum member Noel96 was the first to discover the tab-delimited text file feature and publish a post describing how the text files can be used.

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Originally Posted by JBran
Thanks for the explanations and advice. This is great help for me.
I guess I have to give up my arranger approach and adapt to The Biab system.

This a great program but there is so many options .

I wonder if anyone has come up with flow chart or a visual representation of style management in Biab ?

JBran,

When I'm looking for styles to use for a particular song, I ask myself the following questions...

1) What is the song's time signature?
2) Does the song have a swing-note feel or a even-note feel?
3) Is the song based around mostly 1/8th notes or mostly 1/16th notes?
4) What is the tempo of the song?

When I am clear in my mind regarding these aspects of the song, I then used the filters in Stylepicker to begin isolating suitable styles for me to look at.


1) Time signature
The time signature is the base of the song. From this dropdown menu I select the time appropriate time signature.

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2) and 3) Swing feel or Even feel based on 1/8th note or 1/16th note
Stylepicker lists styles as either sw or EV and in these listings there are sub-categories of 8 or 16. This means the following...

  • sw8 = swing styles based on 1/8th note rhythms.
  • sw16 = swing styles based on 1/16th note rhythms.
  • EV8 = even note styles based on 1/8th notes.
  • EV16 = even not styles based on 1/16th notes.


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3) Tempo
When I am not sure of a song's tempo, I use BIAB's ability to determine tempo by tapping the speed I want.
  • By tapping the "=" button (shown on the image below) four times with the mouse pointer at the beat of the song, BIAB will determine the average tempo at which you tapped the beats.
  • The difference between the "–" and "=" buttons is that while both will determine the beat when tapped 4 times, the "–" button sets the tempo in BIAB adn the "=" button only shows the tempo.


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Once the tempo has been determined, I then filter Stylepicker to show only those tempos.

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With Time Signature. Feel and Tempo filters now set, Stylepicker will have narrowed down the suitable style significantly.

I hope this helps.
--Noel

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This video on Stylepicker might also be useful.


Lastly, if you go to the link below, you will find many videos on BIAB that will offer a lot of insight.

https://www.pgmusic.com/videos.bbwin.htm


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I've written styles for BiaB and a few arranger keyboards. I think you will find the output of BiaB to be less repetitive than most, if not all, of the others.

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Thanks so much for this information. Winters Coming so i will have more time to dig into this and hopefully develop my skills with Styles. I am sure i will have more questions .

Thanks Jim

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Originally Posted by JBran
Thanks so much for this information. Winters Coming so i will have more time to dig into this and hopefully develop my skills with Styles. I am sure i will have more questions .

Thanks Jim
Hi Jim. Do you still have and use a Yamaha Arranger Keyboard?

If you do, it's possible with most Yamaha arranger keyboards to embed complex BIAB styles, RealTracks instrument audio, Midi, real audio instrument solos and melodies to play along with your keyboard.

BIAB can also load and use Yamaha Styles within the BIAB program.

BIAB and a Yamaha keyboard can be connected to have the keyboard triggered to play from open BIAB SGU song where your keyboard is the MIDI sound card.

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Yes i still have my PSR Sx 900.

I have used the sound card in it to play back Biab mid songs and also Jazz Lab Files with good reults.

I would love to be able to create chord sequences in Biab and load them into the Chord Looper feature on the Sx 900.

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