I only recently looked at this software again and I am pretty dang impressed! Nice to see some of the regulars around here are using it too! Anyone know the answers to these questions?
1) When you buy Synthesizer V Studio Pro do you get any of the voices or must you buy at least one voice database? 2) If you get a "starter set", do you get enough to do anything useful? 3) Are the vocals stored similarly to RealTracks in snippets of analog audio files? 4) Are the individual words sung, recorded and stored, then used to assemble the vocals? 5) If #4 is true is there any limitation on the number of different words each vocalist can sing in your song? 6) Is there one male vocalist and one female vocalist that would be considered general purpose? (That cover of Desperado with Hayden sounded pretty good!) 7) Are there limits on what key each singer can sing in? 8) Can you use fx on the vocals such as the presets of izotope Nectar and do these cause artifacts or other issues? 9) Does the license you purchase allow you to distribute and sell your songs without any special licensing or royalties? 10) Do they typically do Black Friday sales? The current deal I am considering is Synthesizer V Studio Pro + Any Voice Database Bundle for $161
Thanks in advance to anyone that can help me answer any of these questions!
OK, I think I have answered (in green below) most of my own questions by downloading the trial version and spending a few hours with it. But I could still use any help with the ones in red below!
1) When you buy Synthesizer V Studio Pro do you get any of the voices or must you buy at least one voice database? Looks like you do NOT get much except lite versions that cannot be used in published projects so I'll need to buy at least one vocal database.
2) If you get a "starter set", do you get enough to do anything useful? Answered above.
3) Are the vocals stored similarly to RealTracks in snippets of analog audio files? Looks like they are not complete words or phrases, instead, they are phonemes which provides a LOT more flexibility.
4) Are the individual words sung, recorded and stored, then used to assemble the vocals? Answered above.
5) If #4 is true is there any limitation on the number of different words each vocalist can sing in your song? Answered above.
6) Is there one male vocalist and one female vocalist that would be considered general purpose country/folk/pop? (That cover of Desperado with Hayden sounded pretty good!) Still need help on this one.
7) Are there limits on what key each singer can sing in? Still need help on this one.
8) Can you use fx on the vocals such as the presets of izotope Nectar and do these cause artifacts or other issues? I did a quick demo of Mary Had A Little Lamb and it exported perfectly and accepted Nectar presets with no degradation that I could detect..
9) Does the license you purchase allow you to distribute and sell your songs without any special licensing or royalties? Looks like you can publish/sell your work if you purchased the license to the software and the vocal database you wish to use.
10) Do they typically do Black Friday sales? The current deal I am considering is Synthesizer V Studio Pro + Any Voice Database Bundle for $161 Still need help on this one.
It's really great software. I've been using it for a while now and love it.
Regarding #6, Kevin is great with country music. I've also used him with folk. Because it's possible to change the timbre of the voice greatly, I've always managed to find a sound that suits what I want. I've got Kevin, Natalie, Hayden, Solaria, Asterian, Saros, Ninezero as well as the lite voices, and I keep on coming back to Kevin and Natalie most frequently (probably because I've worked with them the most and feel most comfortable controlling the sounds I want).
1) When you buy Synthesizer V Studio Pro do you get any of the voices or must you buy at least one voice database?
The voices are a separate product. You can use free voices, but they have restrictions. There are bundles of Studio Pro + voicebank that are available. I assume that's the "starter set" you're referring to.
If you want to do any serious work with Synthesizer, you'll want the Pro Studio and at least one voice database.
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2) If you get a "starter set", do you get enough to do anything useful?
Yes.
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3) Are the vocals stored similarly to RealTracks in snippets of analog audio files?
The vocals are sourced from an actual singer. But the underlying technology is a lot different.
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4) Are the individual words sung, recorded and stored, then used to assemble the vocals?
Sort of. They are sung, recorded, stored, disassembled into phonemes, and then used to train a neural network.
Most of the time, you'll just assign words/syllables to notes in SynthesizerV, and it will automatically convert it into phonemes. This will automatically be sent to the rendering engine, which will create the sung audio.
If you use the free version of SynthesizerV Studio, it'll answer a lot of your questions. You can work with one of the free voices, so there's no initial investment. I haven't used it recently, but it used to allow songs of any length, but limited access to advanced voice features such as vocal modes. I noticed that some of the free voices only allow 45 seconds of audio to be exported.
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5) If #4 is true is there any limitation on the number of different words each vocalist can sing in your song?
No, you can create any length word.
Most of the time you'll be entering words in English. You generally only need to use phonemes for homonyms, although you can cheat and do things like type "REED" when it pronounces "READ" as "RED".
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6) Is there one male vocalist and one female vocalist that would be considered general purpose? (That cover of Desperado with Hayden sounded pretty good!)
Yes, but there's a difference between "pretty good" and "a voice I like".
Although all the voices have the ability to sing in all the languages, some of them have strong accents. Others may be native English voices, but still have occasional accents.
For female voices, Solaria is an excellent native English voice for all-around use. She can be a bit intense. Natalie is one of my favorite voices - she's not as strong, but I think she better suits the style of song I write. I also quite like Weina, who is a bilingual singer.
For male voices, Kevin is probably the best choice. Haydn is good, but I think is voice is less versatile. Jun is good, but I find he's got more of a "theatre" than "pop" voice. Noa Hex has just recently been released by Audiologie, and he's got a very contemporary pop voice.
If you go to the Dreamtonics site and look in the store, all of the voices they sell have demo songs. If you look at the bottom of the page, you'll see "Audio Preview". Each singer has snippets of a variety of songs in multiple languages, in each of their vocal styles.
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7) Are there limits on what key each singer can sing in?
There's no limit to the key, but since they are based on actual singers, there are range limits, and you exceed those at your own peril. You can go beyond those limits, but if it gets too low, the voices will become very soft.
But that's what you're really asking, right? Depending on the song, some keys will work better than others. Good thing it's easy to change both in BiaB and SynthesizerV.
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8) Can you use fx on the vocals such as the presets of izotope Nectar and do these cause artifacts or other issues?
You can treat them as ordinary vocals. I normally render the vocals out as .wav files and then work on them in my DAW.
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9) Does the license you purchase allow you to distribute and sell your songs without any special licensing or royalties?
It depends on which company's voices you're using. Dreamtonics and Eclipsed Sounds tends to have very free EULAs. Some of the other companies have more restrictive licenses.
Unfortunately, you'll need to read the EULAs to be sure.
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10) Do they typically do Black Friday sales? The current deal I am considering is Synthesizer V Studio Pro + Any Voice Database Bundle for $161
It's really great software. I've been using it for a while now and love it.
Regarding #6, Kevin is great with country music. I've also used him with folk. Because it's possible to change the timbre of the voice greatly, I've always managed to find a sound that suits what I want. I've got Kevin, Natalie, Hayden, Solaria, Asterian, Saros, Ninezero as well as the lite voices, and I keep on coming back to Kevin and Natalie most frequently (probably because I've worked with them the most and feel most comfortable controlling the sounds I want).
--Noel
Thank you Noel! I really appreciate your inputs on this! Sounds like you are already an expert so I might have another question or three if you don't mind when/if I make the buy!
1) When you buy Synthesizer V Studio Pro do you get any of the voices or must you buy at least one voice database?
The voices are a separate product. You can use free voices, but they have restrictions. There are bundles of Studio Pro + voicebank that are available. I assume that's the "starter set" you're referring to.
If you want to do any serious work with Synthesizer, you'll want the Pro Studio and at least one voice database.
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2) If you get a "starter set", do you get enough to do anything useful?
Yes.
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3) Are the vocals stored similarly to RealTracks in snippets of analog audio files?
The vocals are sourced from an actual singer. But the underlying technology is a lot different.
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4) Are the individual words sung, recorded and stored, then used to assemble the vocals?
Sort of. They are sung, recorded, stored, disassembled into phonemes, and then used to train a neural network.
Most of the time, you'll just assign words/syllables to notes in SynthesizerV, and it will automatically convert it into phonemes. This will automatically be sent to the rendering engine, which will create the sung audio.
If you use the free version of SynthesizerV Studio, it'll answer a lot of your questions. You can work with one of the free voices, so there's no initial investment. I haven't used it recently, but it used to allow songs of any length, but limited access to advanced voice features such as vocal modes. I noticed that some of the free voices only allow 45 seconds of audio to be exported.
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5) If #4 is true is there any limitation on the number of different words each vocalist can sing in your song?
No, you can create any length word.
Most of the time you'll be entering words in English. You generally only need to use phonemes for homonyms, although you can cheat and do things like type "REED" when it pronounces "READ" as "RED".
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6) Is there one male vocalist and one female vocalist that would be considered general purpose? (That cover of Desperado with Hayden sounded pretty good!)
Yes, but there's a difference between "pretty good" and "a voice I like".
Although all the voices have the ability to sing in all the languages, some of them have strong accents. Others may be native English voices, but still have occasional accents.
For female voices, Solaria is an excellent native English voice for all-around use. She can be a bit intense. Natalie is one of my favorite voices - she's not as strong, but I think she better suits the style of song I write. I also quite like Weina, who is a bilingual singer.
For male voices, Kevin is probably the best choice. Haydn is good, but I think is voice is less versatile. Jun is good, but I find he's got more of a "theatre" than "pop" voice. Noa Hex has just recently been released by Audiologie, and he's got a very contemporary pop voice.
If you go to the Dreamtonics site and look in the store, all of the voices they sell have demo songs. If you look at the bottom of the page, you'll see "Audio Preview". Each singer has snippets of a variety of songs in multiple languages, in each of their vocal styles.
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7) Are there limits on what key each singer can sing in?
There's no limit to the key, but since they are based on actual singers, there are range limits, and you exceed those at your own peril. You can go beyond those limits, but if it gets too low, the voices will become very soft.
But that's what you're really asking, right? Depending on the song, some keys will work better than others. Good thing it's easy to change both in BiaB and SynthesizerV.
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8) Can you use fx on the vocals such as the presets of izotope Nectar and do these cause artifacts or other issues?
You can treat them as ordinary vocals. I normally render the vocals out as .wav files and then work on them in my DAW.
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9) Does the license you purchase allow you to distribute and sell your songs without any special licensing or royalties?
It depends on which company's voices you're using. Dreamtonics and Eclipsed Sounds tends to have very free EULAs. Some of the other companies have more restrictive licenses.
Unfortunately, you'll need to read the EULAs to be sure.
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10) Do they typically do Black Friday sales? The current deal I am considering is Synthesizer V Studio Pro + Any Voice Database Bundle for $161
Not typically, but stranger things have happened.
Thank you David! I was hoping you'd weigh in on this!
Followup question...in your opinion is there a better place to start than Synth V right now? Currently my main interest is in adding a second voice to my own, maybe as a duet or perhaps for harmonies.
Followup question...in your opinion is there a better place to start than Synth V right now? Currently my main interest is in adding a second voice to my own, maybe as a duet or perhaps for harmonies.
It really depends on what you want the software to do, but I think for your use case, the answer is yes.
The only other real contender in the synthetic voice space is ACE Studio, and from what I've heard, it's not as good, but it might be good enough for your purposes. Your ears (and wallet) are the best judge.
Voice changing technologies may also fill your need, but I've had mixed results with that. RVC is something I've looked into, but having rights to voice data you can train with can be problematic. VocoFlex is interesting, but I can't run it in real time on my computer, so I'm holding off until I upgrade.
One nice feature of SynthesizerV is that you can import audio and convert it to a SynthesizerV voice. You might find that easier than using the mouse or MIDI keyboard to input a vocal line.
What matters the most is how well your voice works with the available voices in SynthesizerV.
David and Noel, thanks for the thorough and patient answers. Might this all make a good Tips and Tricks article: how to choose and use synth voices in BIAB? Then when these questions keep surfacing, you can point to the article. (There may already be something there; I didn't look yet).
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Followup question...in your opinion is there a better place to start than Synth V right now? Currently my main interest is in adding a second voice to my own, maybe as a duet or perhaps for harmonies.
It really depends on what you want the software to do, but I think for your use case, the answer is yes.
The only other real contender in the synthetic voice space is ACE Studio, and from what I've heard, it's not as good, but it might be good enough for your purposes. Your ears (and wallet) are the best judge.
Voice changing technologies may also fill your need, but I've had mixed results with that. RVC is something I've looked into, but having rights to voice data you can train with can be problematic. VocoFlex is interesting, but I can't run it in real time on my computer, so I'm holding off until I upgrade.
One nice feature of SynthesizerV is that you can import audio and convert it to a SynthesizerV voice. You might find that easier than using the mouse or MIDI keyboard to input a vocal line.
What matters the most is how well your voice works with the available voices in SynthesizerV.
Thanks David! So, in response to "is there a better place to start than Synth V right now?" you said "Yes." Are you saying ACE Studio is a better choice than Synth V? I've not tried their trial yet but I know already I hate the subscription model. But I like that you have access to more voices for the one price.
[quote=dcuny]Thanks David! So, in response to "is there a better place to start than Synth V right now?" you said "Yes." Are you saying ACE Studio is a better choice than Synth V? I've not tried their trial yet but I know already I hate the subscription model. But I like that you have access to more voices for the one price.
I meant to say "No", sorry.
I had another look and listen to ACE Studio. I want to like the product, but the desktop application relies on a web connection, they have a subscription service, the lowest tier doesn't give nearly enough voices, and they require a credit card for the "free" demo which starts a subscription. Plus, the voice cloning option is not only expensive, it's not very impressive, either.
I've had very little luck with Vocoflex, but if you send me some audio files I'll be happy to let you hear what they sound like. While they still require ID to authorize it, Dreamtonics just announced as a policy that authentication documents submitted to them will be destroyed once the process is complete. They also just announced that it would run in two cores, but it's still processor-hungry for me to use in real time.
I wonder if something like RVC would fit you best, but the catch training a voice. Audimee is a subscription-based service that's basically RVC with pre-made voices. From what I've heard, it sounds OK for background vocals. But like ACE Studio, it's priced to force an upgrade it you use it regularly.
So despite the initial investment, I suspect SynthesizerV is currently the best option, assuming you use it frequently.
[quote=dcuny]Thanks David! So, in response to "is there a better place to start than Synth V right now?" you said "Yes." Are you saying ACE Studio is a better choice than Synth V? I've not tried their trial yet but I know already I hate the subscription model. But I like that you have access to more voices for the one price.
I meant to say "No", sorry.
I had another look and listen to ACE Studio. I want to like the product, but the desktop application relies on a web connection, they have a subscription service, the lowest tier doesn't give nearly enough voices, and they require a credit card for the "free" demo which starts a subscription. Plus, the voice cloning option is not only expensive, it's not very impressive, either.
I've had very little luck with Vocoflex, but if you send me some audio files I'll be happy to let you hear what they sound like. While they still require ID to authorize it, Dreamtonics just announced as a policy that authentication documents submitted to them will be destroyed once the process is complete. They also just announced that it would run in two cores, but it's still processor-hungry for me to use in real time.
I wonder if something like RVC would fit you best, but the catch training a voice. Audimee is a subscription-based service that's basically RVC with pre-made voices. From what I've heard, it sounds OK for background vocals. But like ACE Studio, it's priced to force an upgrade it you use it regularly.
So despite the initial investment, I suspect SynthesizerV is currently the best option, assuming you use it frequently.
Thank you David! I really appreciate you sharing your expertise. I think I'll just spring for the $160 and see what I can do with it. I mean, it's only a tiny bit of my kids' inheritance!
1) When you buy Synthesizer V Studio Pro do you get any of the voices or must you buy at least one voice database?
Of course they have the free lite versions. I bought the pro and a database voice and I got Mia for free.
2) If you get a "starter set", do you get enough to do anything useful?
Yes. It's limited but it works.
3) Are the vocals stored similarly to RealTracks in snippets of analog audio files?
No. Not like real tracks
4) Are the individual words sung, recorded and stored, then used to assemble the vocals?
Phonomes, not words
5) If #4 is true is there any limitation on the number of different words each vocalist can sing in your song?
Unlimited.
6) Is there one male vocalist and one female vocalist that would be considered general purpose? (That cover of Desperado with Hayden sounded pretty good!)
I think Solaria is amazing. Hayden and Kevin are decent.
7) Are there limits on what key each singer can sing in?
It'll try to sing what you write. But it does have a range that's better for each voice
8) Can you use fx on the vocals such as the presets of izotope Nectar and do these cause artifacts or other issues?
Yes indeed.
9) Does the license you purchase allow you to distribute and sell your songs without any special licensing or royalties?
Yes. Some restrictions about the names. You're not supposed to give the singer a different name.
10) Do they typically do Black Friday sales? The current deal I am considering is Synthesizer V Studio Pro + Any Voice Database Bundle for $161
I don't know.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
1) When you buy Synthesizer V Studio Pro do you get any of the voices or must you buy at least one voice database?
Of course they have the free lite versions. I bought the pro and a database voice and I got Mia for free.
2) If you get a "starter set", do you get enough to do anything useful?
Yes. It's limited but it works.
3) Are the vocals stored similarly to RealTracks in snippets of analog audio files?
No. Not like real tracks
4) Are the individual words sung, recorded and stored, then used to assemble the vocals?
Phonomes, not words
5) If #4 is true is there any limitation on the number of different words each vocalist can sing in your song?
Unlimited.
6) Is there one male vocalist and one female vocalist that would be considered general purpose? (That cover of Desperado with Hayden sounded pretty good!)
I think Solaria is amazing. Hayden and Kevin are decent.
7) Are there limits on what key each singer can sing in?
It'll try to sing what you write. But it does have a range that's better for each voice
8) Can you use fx on the vocals such as the presets of izotope Nectar and do these cause artifacts or other issues?
Yes indeed.
9) Does the license you purchase allow you to distribute and sell your songs without any special licensing or royalties?
Yes. Some restrictions about the names. You're not supposed to give the singer a different name.
10) Do they typically do Black Friday sales? The current deal I am considering is Synthesizer V Studio Pro + Any Voice Database Bundle for $161
Dreamtonics just announced as a policy that authentication documents submitted to them will be destroyed once the process is complete.
Hmmm... They should have emailed me seeing that was the issue that caused me to force them to refund my money. I wonder if the EULA has removed the offending language?
I got my project done without them but it would have saved me a lot of time had it been available to me.
I bought the software and SOLARIS about an hour ago and I am just absolutely blown away at how cool this is and how much potential it has! The last time I felt like this was when I first purchased BIAB 12 years ago!!!
I took one of my country-ish songs, grabbed my vocal track, let Synth V get melody and lyrics from the vocal track and then did a quick mix in my DAW. And, I am simply blown away at the result and how quickly it came together! There are several issues with the lyrics but those will only take a few minutes to fix. And there are a few melody issues but again those are quickly fixable. And then I'm sure I can spend some time adjusting SOLARIS to get the perfect sound. But to get this much in under an hour is simply amazing!
I am just beyond delighted with this software!
THANK YOU Noel96 and dcuny and Guitarhacker for your help in convincing me to get this!
Congratulations! It sounds like your experience is pretty much the same as what I felt when I put my first SynthV song together. It's incredible software and works really with BIAB. I hope you post some of what you do. I'd love to hear it
All the very best with your music-making adventure. --Noel
I bought the software and SOLARIS about an hour ago and I am just absolutely blown away at how cool this is and how much potential it has! The last time I felt like this was when I first purchased BIAB 12 years ago!!!
I took one of my country-ish songs, grabbed my vocal track, let Synth V get melody and lyrics from the vocal track and then did a quick mix in my DAW. And, I am simply blown away at the result and how quickly it came together! There are several issues with the lyrics but those will only take a few minutes to fix. And there are a few melody issues but again those are quickly fixable. And then I'm sure I can spend some time adjusting SOLARIS to get the perfect sound. But to get this much in under an hour is simply amazing!
I am just beyond delighted with this software!
THANK YOU Noel96 and dcuny and Guitarhacker for your help in convincing me to get this!
Solaria is one of the voices that uses AI algorithms to help form the words in a more natural way. They should incorporate this technology into ALL of the voices. Glad you like it. It's been a real game changer for me. As I get older and my voice isn't a hip sounding voice anyway, it's been allowing me to get into the "cool. hip, young singer/songwriter" genre without a lot of effort. (Relatively speaking)
Unfortunately, one of the downsides to SV is the lack of a full manual in English that explains all of the features. I'm learning all sorts of things about it and how to get a more natural sounding vocal from it by poking around on my own, experimenting, asking questions from users, and some of the videos on YouTube.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
Unfortunately, one of the downsides to SV is the lack of a full manual in English that explains all of the features. I'm learning all sorts of things about it and how to get a more natural sounding vocal from it by poking around on my own, experimenting, asking questions from users, and some of the videos on YouTube.
Solaria is one of the voices that uses AI algorithms to help form the words in a more natural way. They should incorporate this technology into ALL of the voices.
All the voices except for the early releases use AI to create the pitch lines.
I like how the guy just goes through things quickly and gets right to the point!
Yes, that really is an excellent way to demonstrate tutorials. I have watched a few, and remain impressed. No fumbling, just quality high-speed learning. Well done.
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