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I saw this on social media and figured that for the price.... hey, why not? W. A. Production : Trivox https://www.waproduction.com/plugins/view/trivoxThis is actually a pretty cool vocal plugin for $12. Yeah, you can easily use other tools that you already have as I have done in the past to make harmony vocals. However.... when you select, lets say, a third above and a 5th below.... the software or replication of tracks does exactly that and you still have to go back and edit the notes because not all harmony needs to be exactly a third above or a 5th below..... Trivox lets you select 3 harmony voices.... and a musical scale for each and whether it should be a major or a minor scale. In the few instances I have used this so far, that feature made the harmony exactly what worked without the need to edit. I literally had perfect harmony tracks in a couple of seconds vs the sometimes lengthy process of duplicating tracks and or using something else, like the BB harmonizer. I might run into issues up ahead but for the preliminary testing, it was spot on. Oh yeah... each voice is adjustable in other aspects including the levels. It's also capable of being automated for dialing up or down automatically. Thought some of you might like to check this out. If you do check it out, let me know your thoughts.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I purchased and checked this out and yes it is cool in a way, but I have not figured out what to do with it yet.
I myself am not a big fan of any kind of synth voice because they always sound too "fake" for me. I know this is just me, and all, so no reason to argue. I know I am the oddball here, and "to each his own" and so forth. Got it. But I would rather hear a real imperfect human voice with mistakes in it than a perfect synth voice that sounds fake any day of the week.
But I have not given up. I will keep experimenting. Have you found a way to tweak them so they don't sound so "synthy"?
Maybe if I put them down lower in the mix I could find a sweet spot. But I have no found that sweet spot yet.
Other than that, I am very impressed with what it can do. All good on that front.
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I checked this out the last time it was posted on one of the forums. The genres demoed on their site would fall under what I think of as "modern" with a distinct synth-like quality. (This may just be me.) Over the years I've spent a LOT of time with vocal auto harmonizing solutions (including the ones built into BiaB) but never found one that sounded sufficiently musical to my ears. Would LOVE to hear a demo of a natural sounding auto harmonizer.
I've had the best sounding success (to my ears) creating non-automated harmonies with Melodyne Studio. I can go up or down a third or so, randomize the timing and pitch, and...voila! Even works great for doubling a lead vocal. But I don't use Melodyne for that much anymore, since...
Singing harmonies is one of the things I enjoy doing, so now that I have the time, I don't think I'd go to an auto harmonizer much, if any.
Good topic, probably a good product for at least some applications. I'm ready to learn more...
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How does it compare to the built-in harmonies of Nectar? I've tried those and always end up leaving them out of the mix because they don't sound natural enough to me.
I listened to the Trivox demo and, based on that one clip, it sounds pretty good for a modern pop song where the harmony is used as a vocal effect rather than an actual second singer. But I'd like to have it sound more like another singer harmonizing.
Anyone here have a demo of how they've used it?
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How does it compare to the built-in harmonies of Nectar? I've tried those and always end up leaving them out of the mix because they don't sound natural enough to me.
I listened to the Trivox demo and, based on that one clip, it sounds pretty good for a modern pop song where the harmony is used as a vocal effect rather than an actual second singer. But I'd like to have it sound more like another singer harmonizing.
Anyone here have a demo of how they've used it? Yes. Check out my latest song in the show case.... "Hold you near". It comes in slightly into the song at the second verse. I have the levels down a bit. 50% on the 3rd above. The other 2 are octave below and above but lower for fattening only.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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How does it compare to the built-in harmonies of Nectar? I've tried those and always end up leaving them out of the mix because they don't sound natural enough to me.
I listened to the Trivox demo and, based on that one clip, it sounds pretty good for a modern pop song where the harmony is used as a vocal effect rather than an actual second singer. But I'd like to have it sound more like another singer harmonizing.
Anyone here have a demo of how they've used it? Yes. Check out my latest song in the show case. It comes in slightly into the song. I have the levels down a bit. 50% on the 3rd above. The other 2 are octave below and above but lower for fattening only. I purchased and checked this out and yes it is cool in a way, but I have not figured out what to do with it yet.
I myself am not a big fan of any kind of synth voice because they always sound too "fake" for me. I know this is just me, and all, so no reason to argue. I know I am the oddball here, and "to each his own" and so forth. Got it. But I would rather hear a real imperfect human voice with mistakes in it than a perfect synth voice that sounds fake any day of the week.
But I have not given up. I will keep experimenting. Have you found a way to tweak them so they don't sound so "synthy"?
Maybe if I put them down lower in the mix I could find a sweet spot. But I have no found that sweet spot yet.
Other than that, I am very impressed with what it can do. All good on that front. Use it on your vocal track for harmony. It's not limited to vocals. Experiment with it for any other monophonic instrument. It gets weird when you use it for chords.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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We come out of the bluegrass world where harmony is expected to be both car horn tight and harmonize on every syllable. An "a" that is doubled is a no no.  Janice sings a 3rd above on nearly all our songs. It's never pitched shaped or nudged and typically one take ... just the harmony part she sang in our bands for years. Sometimes she challenges herself as being a melismatic singer she rarely, if ever, sings a verse or chorus exactly the same. The low part (in BG called the baritone or 3rd below) is heard easily by her but is a bit low for her range so we've generated maybe three parts over the years. For that we've used Waves Harmony with a slight formant change. Again in reference to bluegrass that part is typically mixed low in gain to add a bit of resonance to the lead and 3rd above but not stand out. Sorta like you just know it's there. Someone once said "he's so good at that I didn't know he was there!" Even though we have long moved from bluegrass we still tend to think of harmony this way and mix it like that. Once a generated harmony or harmonies are placed above a lead to our ears they dominate and suck a bit of the life out of the lead ... again we are referring here to generated harmony per se not synth vocals which some forum members have shown can be programmed with lots of nuances. Forgive the somewhat off topic ramble, Bud
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We come out of the bluegrass world where harmony is expected to be both car horn tight and harmonize on every syllable. I did get a laugh out of that line. 'Car horn tight', a perfect description 
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How does it compare to the built-in harmonies of Nectar? I've tried those and always end up leaving them out of the mix because they don't sound natural enough to me.
I listened to the Trivox demo and, based on that one clip, it sounds pretty good for a modern pop song where the harmony is used as a vocal effect rather than an actual second singer. But I'd like to have it sound more like another singer harmonizing.
Anyone here have a demo of how they've used it? Yes. Check out my latest song in the show case.... "Hold you near". It comes in slightly into the song at the second verse. I have the levels down a bit. 50% on the 3rd above. The other 2 are octave below and above but lower for fattening only. Hey Herb, I just listened to your song and it is hands down the best thing I've heard here on the showcase! It has a modern sound and those SOLARIA vocals are just outstanding. This really is a superb example of what is possible with Synth V! Makes me even happier that I am using it and learning it right now. Now, as for the harmonies, you have used this masterfully to enhance and thicken those SOLARIA vocals. It really is awesome and I think I'll pick up Trivox just based on your results in that song! But what I would really like to find is a harmony plug that will produce a vocal harmony part that could be stand-alone in a mix. Used as an enhancer, Trivox sure did sound good on your track but how would it do for creating a basic stand-alone harmony track that sounds convincing? My gold standard, which I know is not possible, is Allison, Gillian and Emmylou singing Go To Sleep Little Baby! Therefore, because excellent vocals can be created in Synth V I have been focusing on creating the harmonies inside Synth V in MIDI and then export those along with my lead vocal as WAVs. And I found a pretty cool harmony script for Synth V I can share with you if you are interested.
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How does it compare to the built-in harmonies of Nectar? I've tried those and always end up leaving them out of the mix because they don't sound natural enough to me.
I listened to the Trivox demo and, based on that one clip, it sounds pretty good for a modern pop song where the harmony is used as a vocal effect rather than an actual second singer. But I'd like to have it sound more like another singer harmonizing.
Anyone here have a demo of how they've used it? Yes. Check out my latest song in the show case.... "Hold you near". It comes in slightly into the song at the second verse. I have the levels down a bit. 50% on the 3rd above. The other 2 are octave below and above but lower for fattening only. Hey Herb, I just listened to your song and it is hands down the best thing I've heard here on the showcase! It has a modern sound and those SOLARIA vocals are just outstanding. This really is a superb example of what is possible with Synth V! Makes me even happier that I am using it and learning it right now. Now, as for the harmonies, you have used this masterfully to enhance and thicken those SOLARIA vocals. It really is awesome and I think I'll pick up Trivox just based on your results in that song! But what I would really like to find is a harmony plug that will produce a vocal harmony part that could be stand-alone in a mix. Used as an enhancer, Trivox sure did sound good on your track but how would it do for creating a basic stand-alone harmony track that sounds convincing? My gold standard, which I know is not possible, is Allison, Gillian and Emmylou singing Go To Sleep Little Baby! Therefore, because excellent vocals can be created in Synth V I have been focusing on creating the harmonies inside Synth V in MIDI and then export those along with my lead vocal as WAVs. And I found a pretty cool harmony script for Synth V I can share with you if you are interested. Understand that trivox is a plugin that creates the harmony tracks in the track. It doesn't currently have the ability to export those tracks into several new tracks. It's like a reverb or EQ plugin in that respect. If you aren't looking for that level of sophistication, for the price, it's a cool effect.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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