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The big reason why I like BIAB is that there are many real tracks inside. The sound of the real track is very good. I came up with a question. Can BIAB control REALRACKS like this? For example, REALTRACKS for guitars The current BIAB is written by inputting chords. Then generate REALRACKS. Turn into music. So, can MIDI notes be used to write chords? For example. When I input a C note into MIDI, only C is producing sound on the guitar's REALTRACKS. When I input C, E, G, REALTRACKS is the sound produced by the Cmaj chord. I can still write chords according to the input method. But I can also go in and modify MIDI to change chords and alter the resulting REALTRACKS. I can even click on individual notes to produce sound, and writing three notes at the same time produces a triad sound. Just like the screenshot below. Can these be implemented in BIAB? ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28908&filename=2024-11-07_103841.jpg)
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For example.
When I input a C note into MIDI, only C is producing sound on the guitar's REALTRACKS. When I input C, E, G, REALTRACKS is the sound produced by the Cmaj chord.
I can still write chords according to the input method. But I can also go in and modify MIDI to change chords and alter the resulting REALTRACKS. There may be some confusion, or I haven't understood correctly. When you input MIDI NOTES and play them, they are playing MIDI notes through your MIDI sound device. The MIDI NOTES are not playing RealTracks.When you write CHORDS, they can be played using either MIDI or RealTracks, depending on the Track settings. Basically yellow colored tracks are MIDI, green colored tracks are RealTracks - there are variations but I don't want to complicate the matter unnecessarily. But I can also go in and modify MIDI to change chords and alter the resulting REALTRACKS Could you explain in more detail where / how you do this?
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Could you explain in more detail where / how you do this?
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Could you explain in more detail where / how you do this? OK, I see. No, BIAB cannot currently be controlled in this way. You could make a Wish List Item though.
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Your question after translation is a little unclear, but I'll offer a suggestion. BiaB has an option called "playable RealTracks", where you can define an area of the track and adjust the notes similarly to your example. When BiaB plays that area, it changes from standard RealTrack to using audio samples from the RealTrack file and plays them using the "sforzando" synthesiser. It isn't quite as natural as a normal RealTrack, but in small areas it sounds pretty reasonable. Describing the effect another way, for that short time, BiaB switched from RealTrack to a MIDI synth using the same set of sound samples. Intro: Band-in-a-Box® 2022 for Windows® - New Feature: Playable RealTracks!Deeper: Using Playable RealTracks in the Notation Window of Band-in-a-Box®
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I'm also unsure of the question, so it's risky providing an answer, but...
If I'm working with a RealTrack and want to change the notes being played, I do it in my DAW (outside of BiaB) using Melodyne Studio. Very effective in, for example, reharmonizing the chords being played, eliminating a "wrong" note, or changing the lead voicing of a chord passage.
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The midi associated with RealTracks is a transcription of notes heard during playback. In many earlier cases the transcription data is added to the original RealTrack by someone listening critically to the unfinished RealTrack audio file. Forum member Matt Finley is one person that transcribed audio files for PG Music.
Band-in-a-Box uses RealTracks midi transcription to display notes on the piano keyboard or guitar fretboard. The RealTracks midi transcription is also used to create printable sheet music.
RealTracks midi transcription is likely not a complete transcription. RealTracks midi transcription may lack necessary midi data such as midi controller 7 (CC7) and midi controller 11 (CC11) data needed to control volume.
Altering a RealTracks transcription will not alter the RealTracks audio associated with the transcription.
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Yes, Jim has it right. The biggest weakness of the MIDI transcription is volume / lack of expression.
That may not be true of piano transcriptions however, since my understanding is that the notation was captured at the time the RealTrack was played on a digital piano.
I’m unable to understand the original question but I wonder if he might be asking about the Output Chords feature in Preferences, to control external devices.
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The midi associated with RealTracks is a transcription of notes heard during playback. Now might be a good time tomention that the notation in BiaB is usually aligned with the timing (i.e., "quantized"), but the notes that you actually hear normally will have some natural timing variation because they were played by a human being (well, in RealTracks and MIDI supertracks at least). That's done to avoid all of the tiny timing shifts which otherwise would make the notation very difficult to read. Those tiny timing variations are part what make the music sound real rather than robotic. The piano-roll shows the real timing.
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I’m unable to understand the original question but I wonder if he might be asking about the Output Chords feature in Preferences, to control external devices. I also don't fully follow the intent, however, I keep wondering if it's touching on the functionality of an Arranger Keyboard, where a single note played in the bass can create a complete chord-based accompaniment?
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I’m unable to understand the original question but I wonder if he might be asking about the Output Chords feature in Preferences, to control external devices. I also don't fully follow the intent, however, I keep wondering if it's touching on the functionality of an Arranger Keyboard, where a single note played in the bass can create a complete chord-based accompaniment? One of the things I note about what he writes is that it's usually in the present tense, not future tense, so it's had to differentiate between "it does" and "could it do". The impression I get from this: When I input a C note into MIDI, only C is producing sound on the guitar's REALTRACKS. When I input C, E, G, REALTRACKS is the sound produced by the Cmaj chord. ... is that he wants to insert the actual note or notes to be played by the RealTrack, but of course that rather conflicts with what RealTracks are intended to do. Note that "only C is producing sound" isn't normally what a RealTrack would do ... RealTracks use the chord symbols not the notes. I think the present progressive tense is causing confusion. But I'll happily aaccept that it might be confusing only me 
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Gordon, you are not alone in the confusion. SBM comes up with innovative comments, but I agree that it can be a little unclear if they are discussing using existing features or suggesting wish list items. Some of the comments are things that appear to be what BIAB currently does, but in reality they are items that the O/P wants the program to do.
I think that we're working from the same page.
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I don't want to be disparaging and SBM is welcome to use BIAB any way he chooses. But I get the impression he is playing with the program and its capabilites rather than trying to create music. A lot of posts are about things it seems he has found the program doesn't do, things he wants to know if it can do and not about problems he has creating music.
Questions are often about functionality or whether BIAB can do things that he hears on tracks he likes. Agreed the translation doesn't help but i'd love to hear him post a music track he has created and is proud of. Or post about a music track he's working on and needs help.
What sort of music are you creating SBM? There are plenty of knowledgeable people here who would love to help you create the music you want to.
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I think he's genuinely producing music, though I also would like some posted ... he always seems reluctant to do that. He does seem to have a good ear and also often asks for things and appears upset when they're not forthcoming. He seems a bit of an enigma.
I do sometimes wonder though, as I think he's in China, if he's doing industrial research. I think not.
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I don't want to be disparaging and SBM is welcome to use BIAB any way he chooses. But I get the impression he is playing with the program and its capabilites rather than trying to create music. A lot of posts are about things it seems he has found the program doesn't do, things he wants to know if it can do and not about problems he has creating music.
Questions are often about functionality or whether BIAB can do things that he hears on tracks he likes. Agreed the translation doesn't help but i'd love to hear him post a music track he has created and is proud of. Or post about a music track he's working on and needs help.
What sort of music are you creating SBM? There are plenty of knowledgeable people here who would love to help you create the music you want to. I am an enthusiast. I make music when I have nothing to do. I have posted some small clips. I think this is still a place to discuss BIAB. I open the music software every day when I have nothing to do. If I have some ideas, I will communicate with you here. It is also a kind of record. I was playing NI session GUITAR a few days ago, and I found that NI session guitar can control different strings through MIDI, which is very convenient. Changing the position of a note will change the strumming and arpeggios, so I want to ask if BIAB can do the same. Therefore, I posted this thread. If this function exists now, please tell me and I will learn it. If this function does not exist, let's discuss it. I think this is very good and it is also the meaning of the forum. Regarding music, I have asked some questions about chords before. As time goes by, I have learned some. I also said that it would be more convenient if BIAB had a keyboard, but it still doesn't have one. I rarely ask about music knowledge here. I mainly ask about BIAB software.
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I think he's genuinely producing music, though I also would like some posted ... he always seems reluctant to do that. He does seem to have a good ear and also often asks for things and appears upset when they're not forthcoming. He seems a bit of an enigma.
I do sometimes wonder though, as I think he's in China, if he's doing industrial research. I think not. I am a computer music production enthusiast. I don't know how to play a musical instrument, nor do I like to learn one. I like BIAB. 
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[quote=swingbabymix................................
I was playing NI session GUITAR a few days ago, and I found that NI session guitar can control different strings through MIDI, which is very convenient. Changing the position of a note will change the strumming and arpeggios, so I want to ask if BIAB can do the same. Therefore, I posted this thread.
If this function exists now, please tell me and I will learn it.
If this function does not exist, let's discuss it. I think this is very good and it is also the meaning of the forum.
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OK now I understand. No that function is not available in BiaB.
NI session GUITAR is specifically for guitar and having a similar function in BiaB probably isn't a priority for PGM. But if you place this request in the wishlist forum and have it for all string instruments I will give it a +1. Note that it would only be for MIDI as RTs are prerecorded.
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OK now I understand. No that function is not available in BiaB.
NI session GUITAR is specifically for guitar and having a similar function in BiaB probably isn't a priority for PGM. But if you place this request in the wishlist forum and have it for all string instruments I will give it a +1. Note that it would only be for MIDI as RTs are prerecorded. Thank you. I understand. I used to have a NI guitar. But I only recently understood how to use it better. It seems that all software requires a familiarization process.
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What your are describing is called "Key Switching". "A key switch is a MIDI note that triggers a different playing technique for an instrument. For example, a key switch could trigger pizzicato on a violin or harmonics on a harp or strumming pattern on Guitar". BIAB does not have this feature, nor does it need it.
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I am a computer music production enthusiast. I don't know how to play a musical instrument, nor do I like to learn one. I like BIAB. That is as I expected and understand. My only comment is that it is perhaps a shame that you don't like to learn and instrument. It does take quite a bit of work, but you could play freely and play music with other people.
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