I want to load the following Realtrack: 688:Organ, B3, Background Pop Ev 065 (Gene Rabbai).
But instead it loads: Realtrack 689:Organ, B3, Background Pop Ev 085 (Gene Rabbai)
It is practically identical, only instead of Ev 65 it says Ev 085 (+ 20 bpm).
In principle that is OK for me, but the problem is:
If you save the generated Realtrack 689 as a MIDI file (format 0, I only need a single track), it will not play, the small MIDI playback program "stops" and quits after a while, crashes, so to speak.
It is not the small one's fault either. MIDI playback program (e.g. Windows Media Player), the MIDI file cannot be loaded into CUBASE, for example. Or into EZ-Keys 2. All other MIDI files, however, i.e. other Realtracks that have been converted into MIDI files, work. For months, for years, I have never had any problems with it.
Could one of you try it out with your system? If you have the same problem, then it seems to be a small bug in Biab 2024 Windows and not due to my Windows 11 system. I think the latter is almost impossible anyway, since it works with all other Realtracks that I have converted to MIDI Format 0 so far.
It sounds like the tempo of your song is closer to the 85bpm Realtrack than the 65bpm one. If that is the case, BIAB will automatically substitute the Realtrack. To stop this happening, deactivate the "Allow Realtracks substitution based on tempo" that is found in "Options | Preferences | Releatracks" (i.e the Realtracks preferences. This is a global setting. I always deactivate this and activate the setting below it "Show message when better Realtracks are available at this tempo".
If you want to leave the above global set and only want to cancel the automatic substitution for this particular song, this can be done in Song Settings.
2) Regarding the saving of the organ Realtracks to MIDI.
Since there is no MIDI data attached to the organ audio, saving it as MIDI will not provide anything that is useful. Some Realtracks have notation attached to them. This notation is in MIDI format and it is a transcription of what the audio is playing. Neither one of these organ files have any attached notation that can be saved to MIDI. The "Save as MIDI" process is not a process that takes audio files and converts them to MIDI. Your success in the past when saving audio files in MIDI format would have be due to the fact that the Realtracks you used had notation attached to them.
If you want to do such a conversion, a program such as Melodyne is needed.
If you are specifically after MIDI organ, there are some MIDI Supertracks that could be loaded. There might be a suitable choice in amongst these for you.
When I occasionaly need MIDI from a RealTrack that doesn't have it attached, I import the RT to my DAW, run Melodyne, (as Noel suggested), across it and then save the result as midi. Quick, easy and effective.
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Hello Noel96, Thank you very much for these detailed and very clearly presented tips! I will set/activate/deactivate the relevant points/options in my Biab 2024 exactly as you recommended.
I mistakenly assumed an incorrect starting point when it came to real tracks/MIDI conversion. Now I understand this issue, and also why the real track that I heard and then wanted to load couldn't load (bpm difference/equalization).
I've been converting to MIDI a lot lately because I'd like to use my VST instruments more often in this regard. You probably know some of the "all the nice things" from ARTURIA, UJAM, KORG, etc. ;-)
Converting to MIDI also worked pretty well most of the time, but I did have to correct a few things manually. Btw.: How do you actually know in advance which real track is linked to notation/MIDI? I may have seen it somewhere before, but I can't think of it right now...
I have MELODYNE too, but only the Essential version (?). I got it for free in an iZotope deal at some point. I've never touched the program, though, because VARIAUDIO from CUBASE PRO works very well for me. For mono tracks such as vocals, and sometimes small corrections to WAV instrument tracks such as guitars, bass, etc. I suspect that the recommended MELODYNE MIDI conversion only works with the larger MELODYNE versions, "Studio" or other versions.
I'll have a look at the MIDI Supertracks with regard to "Organ".
I just googled it. Only MELODYNE "Studio" apparently offers the "relatively acceptable option" (?) of converting a polyphonic WAV instrument track (e.g. organ, piano, etc.) to MIDI. But that's not the only reason I'm getting another program on my computer. Even if, for example, a free VST plug-in is offered somewhere, I'm now turning it down. At some point, enough is enough (if you can already make use of the full range of options)...
<< I'll have a look at the MIDI Supertracks with regard to "Organ".>>
In the manner you've explained how you plan to use the files with other VSTi's, SuperTracks appears to be the best option. They are created similar to how RealTracks are, so the midi data will also be similar to if you were converting RealCharts from a RealTrack. I think the SuperTrack instrument data may include more midi data controls than RealChart because RealCharts are for notational purposes and SuperTracks are real artist performances. I'm not sure about that but it doesn't matter because SuperTracks data will at least be equal to RealCharts and you have had success with RealChart data in the past.
I have Melodyne Essentials too, and I'm not sure it will translate your organ audio sufficiently to midi because Melodyne Essentials is not polyphonic. EDIT:(We were posting at the same time but that information you found is correct)
Using BIAB SuperTracks or Midi instruments to generate midi data will alleviate the Melodyne Essentials not being polyphonic issue.
As a side note, BIAB can import individual tracks from an existing midi file to be used in a song project. Entire midi file songs can also be imported. It's not been mentioned, but every RealTrack, whether is has RealCharts or not, can use the Playable RealTrack feature. This presents users with the opportunity to import a single midi track containing a specific riff into a BIAB project, assigning a RealTrack to the track in the Mixer and having a BIAB RealTrack instrument's audio play that specific riff. Not every track will always play perfectly but it's surprising to me how often satisfactory results are obtained.
There's a process to follow but it's no more difficult than using Melodyne and it's all done within the BIAB program.
I've attached a screen shot of RealTrack 688, playing Playable RealTrack Data to demonstrate a RealTrack without RealCharts using the feature.
Last edited by Charlie Fogle; 12/01/2407:18 AM. Reason: Update added
I just googled it. Only MELODYNE "Studio" apparently offers the "relatively acceptable option" (?) of converting a polyphonic WAV instrument track (e.g. organ, piano, etc.) to MIDI...................................
FYI - Melodyne Editor is the first version to convert polyphonic audio to MIDI. Although it is expensive you can pick it up much cheaper during sales. I have used a number of polyphonic audio to MIDI programs and found that Melodyne does the best job. On most occasions I have not had to make any corrections to the MIDI conversion. I have found this to be true on both the Editor and Studio versions.
Unclear if the pianist is a total beginner or a professional jazz player?
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[/quote]I've attached a screen shot of RealTrack 688, playing Playable RealTrack Data to demonstrate a RealTrack without RealCharts using the feature.[quote]
@Carlie Fogle: Thank you very much, I saw something similar in a tutorial once, I'll take a closer look at it now.
[/quote] I have used a number of polyphonic audio to MIDI programs and found that Melodyne does the best job. On most occasions I have not had to make any corrections to the MIDI conversion...[quote]
Thank you very much. MELODYNE seems to be able to handle this function very satisfactorily. Good to know.
Btw.: How do you actually know in advance which real track is linked to notation/MIDI? I may have seen it somewhere before, but I can't think of it right now...
Hi again.
There are a few ways to do this. Here are three.
1) If the track is on one of the first seven tracks (these are listed as a menu across the top of BIAB), there will be a line underneath the name if the track has notation associated with (some guitar tracks also have tab associated with them as well).
In the image below, the instrument that is on the Strings tracks has notation with it because the name has an underline. This image is from an older version of BIAB but the principle is still the same.
Other information present in the image is... (a) Bass and Piano are MIDI tracks (because they are yellow); (b) Drums, Guitar and Strings track are Realtracks audio (because they are green).
2) After you have generated a track. Select it and then have a look at the track in Notation Editor and you will see a music score if the track has notation attached to it. This is MIDI-based and it will save as MIDI. In the image below, whatever is on the Piano, Drums and Guitar tracks all have notation with them because the names are underlined. I have selected the Guitar track the notation editor, and it shows there is both notation and tab present.
3) In Realtrack Picker, have a look down that "Chart" column. If there is a "Gt" (like with Realtrack #824 in the image below) then that Realtrack has both tab and notation associated with it. If there is an "N" then that Realtrack has notation attached to it.
I would like to thank you very much for the once again excellently prepared explanation. This helps me enormously - and perhaps also other Biab users who may not be as well informed in some respects. Many thanks again!
Thanks! I'm glad you could make sense of my explanations
When you get a chance, could you please click on the "Resolved" button in your original post that started this thread? That will mark your original question "Resolved" and will let people know that it's worthwhile reading the thread because a solution lies within it.
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