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Firstly, we are very impressed with the musical productions produced via AI (including synth vocals). The legal and other ramifications have been amply discussed here so that is not my subject. What has totally failed to impress is the accuracy of music related technical inquiries to AI sources. As a production geek and an old guy I often get a bit overwhelmed learning new products. For example moving older product presets to the latest version can be tedious at times. EVERY inquiry I made using AI for help on this subject has been wrong even though I clearly stated the products under question and what I was attempting to accomplish. Every one. From using outdated sources to simply stating incorrect methodology. That piqued my interest and I started making test inquiries ... all related to music production. A conservative estimate would be that 75% of them were simply wrong. Having touched on the above I will also mention that medical related inquiries have also been wrong. While I would never trust AI for such I do feel that it is dangerous for those less inquisitive. From our love of outdoors/hiking to music production to mountain biking to our love of historical architecture we often get erroneous answers that are sometimes hilarious. On a positive note  I have a friend who owns several tech companies that specialize in healthcare. Compliance with privacy regulations is a big issue in the healthcare field. I'm very aware of it having spent my career in healthcare. He used AI to write a book about how to deal with the issue. BUT for that operation he provided all the vetted sources on the subject he could find and AI "wrote" the book using only that multitude of sources and their references. The result was incredible. He and others read every word and made practically no changes ... even to footnotes. So AI can "write" when it knows what it's "talking" about! I would assume this would apply to any application of it where the user is supplying the sources, e.g., one or multiple websites, etc. Bud
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There are some things that AI is simply not very good at (yet) and it does tend to take guesses that will lead you off in the wrong direction. I wanted to develop a bridge (the card game) app that would answer all your bridge questions but the ai clearly doesn’t know how to play bridge (yet). It just made up completely wrong answers to some simple questions.
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There are some things that AI is simply not very good at (yet) and it does tend to take guesses that will lead you off in the wrong direction. I wanted to develop a bridge (the card game) app that would answer all your bridge questions but the ai clearly doesn’t know how to play bridge (yet). It just made up completely wrong answers to some simple questions. When you think about how AI works, that is, mostly goal-oriented with lots of data, it's almost inevitable that if it doesn't find a 'right' answer it will go on hunting for something that looks like it might be reasonable. Quite often it's 'reasonable' but nonsense. Whether things get better or worse because of that probably depends upon how its 'finds' are managed. It could improve (hopefully) or it could go chaotic (hopefully not).
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There are indications that here - and around the world - people prefer misinformation over the facts.
Perhaps that is how the AI has been trained.
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There are indications that here - and around the world - people prefer misinformation over the facts. Ain't that the truth!
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There are indications that here - and around the world - people prefer misinformation over the facts. Ain't that the truth! 
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There are some things that AI is simply not very good at (yet) and it does tend to take guesses that will lead you off in the wrong direction. I wanted to develop a bridge (the card game) app that would answer all your bridge questions but the ai clearly doesn’t know how to play bridge (yet). It just made up completely wrong answers to some simple questions. interesting as chess applications have been overwhelmingly powerful for 20 years. I guess the chess approach is based on pure massive computational power. Hope you get to develop that app down the road. Lyric Lap is certainly a fine indication of your abilities. Bud
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interesting as chess applications have been overwhelmingly powerful for 20 years. I guess the chess approach is based on pure massive computational power.
Hope you get to develop that app down the road. Lyric Lap is certainly a fine indication of your abilities.
Bud 20 years?? Anybody remember Radio Shack and Tandy? I still have my battery operated Radio Shack 1650 Chess Fast Response Program (Cat. No. 60-2194) from the 1980s. This thing has 7 levels, level zero is limited to an average response time of 1 second. Level 7 is up to 1 hour. Now the embarassing part. I was able to beat it frequently on level zero and infrequently on Levels 1 & 2. Beyond that it would kick my butt every time. It's been a few years since I've played on it, I should dust it off and see how pitiful I am now 
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interesting as chess applications have been overwhelmingly powerful for 20 years. I guess the chess approach is based on pure massive computational power.
Hope you get to develop that app down the road. Lyric Lap is certainly a fine indication of your abilities.
Bud 20 years?? Anybody remember Radio Shack and Tandy? I still have my battery operated Radio Shack 1650 Chess Fast Response Program (Cat. No. 60-2194) from the 1980s. This thing has 7 levels, level zero is limited to an average response time of 1 second. Level 7 is up to 1 hour. Now the embarassing part. I was able to beat it frequently on level zero and infrequently on Levels 1 & 2. Beyond that it would kick my butt every time. It's been a few years since I've played on it, I should dust it off and see how pitiful I am now I also used several from that period but it was around 20 years ago when PC run apps could readily beat high level players. And like you those early ones kicked my butt at medium levels. And I took chess seriously ... or thought I did! Bud
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For the record... I was not making a joke. Really read this. There are indications that here - and around the world - people prefer misinformation over the facts.
Perhaps that is how the AI has been trained. Can AI filter "the facts"? If it's read everything ever written, it's read everything. All the facts and all the alternate facts.
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There are indications that here - and around the world - people prefer misinformation over the facts.
....................................... That is so true!
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interesting as chess applications have been overwhelmingly powerful for 20 years. I guess the chess approach is based on pure massive computational power.
Hope you get to develop that app down the road. Lyric Lap is certainly a fine indication of your abilities.
Bud 20 years?? Anybody remember Radio Shack and Tandy? I still have my battery operated Radio Shack 1650 Chess Fast Response Program (Cat. No. 60-2194) from the 1980s. This thing has 7 levels, level zero is limited to an average response time of 1 second. Level 7 is up to 1 hour. Now the embarassing part. I was able to beat it frequently on level zero and infrequently on Levels 1 & 2. Beyond that it would kick my butt every time. It's been a few years since I've played on it, I should dust it off and see how pitiful I am now I also used several from that period but it was around 20 years ago when PC run apps could readily beat high level players. And like you those early ones kicked my butt at medium levels. And I took chess seriously ... or thought I did! Bud I hear ya. My Radio Shack model is absolutely ruthless (as I'm sure the PC games are). There's no wearing you down around the edges or slowly depleting your army in its mind. It doesn't care about your rook, bishop, knight or queen; unless they happen to be in the way. This thing is laser focused on one thing only . . entrapping your KING in the shortest possible time. And man, it knows how to play!
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There are indications that here - and around the world - people prefer misinformation over the facts.
Perhaps that is how the AI has been trained. I see no reason AI could not be "trained" in many situations to vet the sources it scrapes from the net. For example a medical question about cholesterol levels would only use info from the most recent peer reviewed medical journals. Another, a question about how to find and change certain settings on an iPhone 14 running IOS 18.1 would gather data from Apple published statements and from Apple.com discussions marked resolved that reference that model and IOS. Rather than from a world of BS or generic or out of date sites like it now does. FWIW, Bud
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There are indications that here - and around the world - people prefer misinformation over the facts.
Perhaps that is how the AI has been trained. Floyd, I'm with Ronald Reagan when he said " Trust but verify." A different context for sure but the principle is no less wise. From time to time my AI assistant has given me outdated or wrong info. To which I said " Are you sure about that?" And it would come back with an apology and a more accurate answer. Do you have a concrete example where it gave you bogus info and refused to budge when told it was wrong? If so, do share, I'd like to verify.
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Seems like assumptions are being made that the people responsible for "training" the AI engines are ethical and have the world's best interest at heart.
The all-knowing public have given almost limitless power to a few very rich men, whose ONLY goal is to get richer.
All they have to do is convince that all-knowing public that regulations of any kind will prevent them (the poor, all-knowing public) from becoming as rich as they are - because those regulations will end up benefiting some other tribes (certainly not theirs) and the poor all-knowing public will foot the bill.
All past regulations (safeguards) are on the chopping block.
Because those very rich men do not want any of their money being taken to help pay for it.
Fewer regulations (by destroying our institutions from the inside) are not going to make us (the all-knowing public) richer. They will make us more unhealthy (and unable to afford health care) and our world will die even faster.
How will AI be regulated?
It won't.
Who do you think OWNS those AI engines?
And what do you think they want in return for providing that to us poor all-knowing public who cannot think for themselves?
Everything.
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Seems like assumptions are being made that the people responsible for "training" the AI engines are ethical and have the world's best interest at heart. Most of what you say is true, which is why me and Ronnie like to verify things 😊 The other important point to make is welcome to capitalism and human nature. Has anything meaningfully changed since the stone age? It’s going to cost you if you want the best spear in the neighborhood, even if you invent the thing yourself. I’m a technocrat at heart and are driven by facts and observations. Which is why if ever I see an example of an AI bot not budging when informed it’s wrong, I’m not scared to give the thing one hell of a talking to. I have to believe that humans behind the scenes are at least spot checking its performance and the public’s response . . . after all don’t the developers want to have the best spear in the neighborhood? They call this quality control. But as pro-tech as I am, I’ve said this before. Don’t let AI become sentient, not even in the lab.
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Wrong, based on Your definition of Wrong.
So, if I understand you correctly, you then continue asking it the same question until it gives you the answer you want.
That's not training. That's indoctrination.
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Wrong, based on Your definition of Wrong.
So, if I understand you correctly, you then continue asking it the same question until it gives you the answer you want.
That's not training. That's indoctrination. What is wrong?? And what exactly is my definition of wrong. I didn't give one. And I can't intelligently respond otherwise because your point is not clear. Who/what in your mind is being trained? You? Me? The AI? Likewise for who is being indoctrinated.
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AI is most likely the future, but knowing when to use and/or trust it is anybody's guess.
I'm pretty weary of the dumb a** AI-generated content online though.
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The other important point to make is welcome to capitalism and human nature.
Has anything meaningfully changed since the stone age? It’s going to cost you if you want the best spear in the neighborhood, even if you invent the thing yourself. I think it's fair to say that quite a bit has meaningfully changed since the stone age. And capitalism isn't the inevitable result of human nature. There have been many variations of economic systems throughout history other than capitalism. In fact, capitalism is actually the least common economic system.
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