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OK Dan, now with that more detailed explanation I can see your issue and can confirm that it occurs here also. A new chord is only created/written if the chord is different to the previous chord. E.g.4 bars of separate F chords such as |F |F |F |F | will only play one single F chord, tied for 4 bars. Yep, this is a bug for sure. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28550&filename=2024-08-27_8-56-24.jpg)
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Yes, the chord in the Chord Track should match the Chord Chart, not the Notation score with tied chords. Now there is a man who understands me!  Thank you Jeff for being so succinct (def: something written or spoken briefly and clearly expressed). I agree. Dan, did you see my workaround? Mario, yes I did and I thanked you. But perhaps my full answer was hiden in so much snark that you missed my point. Thanks, but no thanks.
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I've reported it to the developers.
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Yes, the chord in the Chord Track should match the Chord Chart, not the Notation score with tied chords. Now there is a man who understands me! Thank you Jeff for being so succinct (def: something written or spoken briefly and clearly expressed). I agree. Dan, did you see my workaround? Mario, yes I did and I thanked you. But perhaps my full answer was hiden in so much snark that you missed my point. Thanks, but no thanks. Dan, I didn't miss your point as the identical problem happens here, that is long tied notes. I also agree with you in that when you type a chord BiaB should play that chord regardless if it is the same chord from the previous measure. I just shared my workaround. Peace!
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I also found another anomaly. If I want a rest on a particular bar, it still outputs the chord. E.g. if I want a rest on bar 3 and bar 7, I follow the chord name with a period character. The chord chart looks like this: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28561&filename=2024-08-28_5-56-19.jpg) But the results are this: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28562&filename=2024-08-28_5-55-50.jpg)
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Let me try to clarify. Originally Posted by jpettit
Yes, the chord in the Chord Track should match the Chord Chart, not the Notation score with tied chords. As Jeff said, the Chord Track should match the Chord Chart. Any other info such as pushs, holds, notation (ties), rhythm, or musical attributes assocated with the Styles should NOT be included. All this info is present in the individual instrument tracks of BIAB. The chord track midi is primarilly used to drive a VSTi. These insturments only need the block chord and nothing else.
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Dan, this is all new to me and I would like to understand more. I used to use Output Chords to a Voice Live Touch and it would harmonize with my microphone signal, and base that harmony on the BIAB chord. Past that, I know nothing.
Could you give me one example of a VSTi that is capable of playing something other than whole notes from this chord track? Just trying to understand.
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Dan, this is all new to me and I would like to understand more. I used to use Output Chords to a Voice Live Touch and it would harmonize with my microphone signal, and base that harmony on the BIAB chord. Past that, I know nothing.
Could you give me one example of a VSTi that is capable of playing something other than whole notes from this chord track? Just trying to understand. Be still my heart!  What a wonderful question and opportunity for me to introduce you to a world of "BIAB - Integration with VST (intruments)". This is a big part of my music! And yes, VSTi are capable of playing much more than single notes, they can play entire pharses including arppegios, motifs, and runs all with complex rhythms. Most importantly to us here in the forum, this can all me initiated with the "BIAB MIDI OutputChord track". As you know our Misha is a big proponent also of this topic which is why he beats the drum so loudly for VST3 support in BIAB which we currently don't have. But the good news is the "BIAB MIDI OutputChord track" can be cut and pasted into your DAW where this is all possible. As a part of my final goodby "Not with a bang but with a wimper" tour, I will put together a short show in the near future and post it here. Dan
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Could you give me one example of a VSTi that is capable of playing something other than whole notes from this chord track? Opps, sorry Matt, I just noticed you actually just asked for "one example". I am afraid that after 35 years as a paid consultant I can have a tendency to explain how a clock works when asked what time is it. So to answer your question: Best examples: Many (if not all) of the hundreds of NI Kontact offerings
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90% of all strum guitar VSTis
Ample, U-Jam ... Most of them.
Multi layer synths / sequencers / arpeggiators, such as Halion, Omnisphere... pretty much all of them
Virtual bassists, Virtual orchestral instruments, virtual pianists (ToonTrack Ezkeys, EZbass and many others)
List goes on.
While BIAB has a very good range of styles, VSTi's can bridge pretty much anything that is missing. To make things work properly in BIAB we still need:
Fixing bug mentioned in this post.
VST3 support (Patiently waiting....)
Being able to add keyswitches (midi editing), without overwriting them on the next regeneration.
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I don't think this one has been fixed in BIAB 2025.
At least I can not get it to work (same issue as above).
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It has not! But I can tell you the reason I gave up trying. I found another application which does the exact same thing*! This made me question my sanity. Perhaps BIAB 2025 is doing it right. And the old way BIAB did it in the past, which I only thought was correct, was in fact wrong. I can't fight everyone on this. So I have just backed off for the time being and maybe I will learn why I really want it done this new way.
* Check out SMP
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Could you give me one example of a VSTi that is capable of playing something other than whole notes from this chord track? Just trying to understand. Matt, As you will have already seen, BIAB comes with Synthmaster. This has many, many different music patterns that are activated and played by chord chart. When I use Synthmaster: I generate a chord track on one of the utility tracks; load Synthmaster on that utility track; start the song playing and listen to the different patterns to find one that suits the song. Sometimes, I also take the generated chord track into Reaper and use Synthmaster in Reaper. Hope this helps. --Noel
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I don't think this one has been fixed in BIAB 2025.
At least I can not get it to work (same issue as above). Shlind, Thanks for reminding us all. This is not an insignificant issue. Yet, nothing has been done in all these months. Something changed back in the summer and only a few of us users noticed it or have acknowledged it. PGM has been silent.
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I don't think this one has been fixed in BIAB 2025.
At least I can not get it to work (same issue as above). Shlind, Thanks for reminding us all. This is not an insignificant issue. Yet, nothing has been done in all these months. Something changed back in the summer and only a few of us users noticed it or have acknowledged it. PGM has been silent. Dan I tried the issue you were having with the chord track putting the ties on bars with the same chords. It still does this in the 2025 BIAB program but it seems to work ok in the DAW plugin. At least in the simple test I did with trying to duplicate your issue.
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Dan I tried the issue you were having with the chord track putting the ties on bars with the same chords. It still does this in the 2025 BIAB program but it seems to work ok in the DAW plugin. At least in the simple test I did with trying to duplicate your issue. Quick test on my end and I think you are correct! Every chord is played. Thanks for the help with this one. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29318&filename=Screenshot 2024-12-07 045752.jpg)
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The next patch of BBW 2025 will have the keyswitches feature added (preserving notes and other MIDI events that aren't notes in the range of the generated chords.
It will also restate the chords if they are the same chord as described above.
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"Export To DAW" If you want the midi chord notes split at each chord name just drag it into Reaper then make an hotkey action "Mover to next Marker, Split Midi" you can then drop it back into Biab.
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