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Normally ASIO drivers only support one audio interface at a time. Multi client is a special wrapper that allows another device to access it. You can do a search for Multi client ASIO driver and it will give you the technical information about how this works. I don't think I am giving you the exact details of how this works.

Hi Steve,

If your Guitar Pro is using ASIO drivers AND Studio One Pro is also using ASIO problems you will experience crashes. This is what Brian was referring. Most ASIO drivers will only work with one program at a time. A Multi-Client ASIO driver will run more than one program at a time.

If I have BiaB and ST1 both using ASIO drivers I will get a crash, thus I always have BiaB using MME drivers, i.e. no crashes.

Thanks Mario that is exactly what I was trying to say!

Thanks for trying to help Mario,
Did you see what my AI bot already came up with?

After I discovered that the S1 problem went away when GP isn't running I then followed what the bot said and the problem is still gone even when GP is running.

You and it may be partially saying the same thing. It is specifically saying to use "Standard" in GP, you are saying don't use ASIO if Studio One is using ASIO.

You say I'll experience crashes if S1 is using ASIO. The problem with that is in my configuration there is no ASIO option available in S1!
S1 recognizes the Tascam, and so Series 102i/208i shows up as an option. From day 1, this setting has been set and I've had no problem until GP appeared.

All this continues to point to GP as being the root cause and the solution is to set "Standard" in GP. I think I experienced a driver clash.

You say "A Multi-Client ASIO driver will run more than one program at a time." OK, I am now running more than one program at a time. Which is Multi-Client? The "Standard" in GP of the "Series 102i/208i" in S1?

I'm guessing that over the years there must have been hundreds of people that have had driver issues (like the one I just solved) or different issues. I'm sure some of these folks simply gave up and accepted defeat. I see in S1 that there is also an option to release audio device in background. Other audio programs will have their own set of settings and options. And I'm not convinced that the various manufacturers are even talking amoung themselves in this regard.

I scanned the "tips" post that om referred to and it is no different that an ordinary post; lots of different people offering perspectives sprinkled with YouTube vids. To be sure there is some "wheat" in that tip thread but there is also a lot of "chaff" to work thru.

This tells me we have another need for a well-written paper on all things related to programs that use audio and how to prevent conflicts when multiple such programs are used at the same time. Or maybe somebody has already written it.

Steve, yes there is an ASIO setting in ST1, see pics.
Yes AI, Brain, and I are saying the same thing. In ST1 if no ASIO is available, that is GP is in ASIO, it will not show during start up. But if ST1 is set to ASIO then you boot GP and it is set to ASIO then you will get a crash. If I were in your shoes I would permanently set GP to either MME or WAS and set ST1 permanently to ASIO.

Your Tascam is not multi-client. A multi-client ASIO driver will run two or more ASIO driver programs simultaneously. All audio interfaces will run ASIO and MME or ASIO and WAS simultaneously.

I have no idea what standard is.

I would like to add to what Mario just said. You mentioned this earlier in your post:

"But now after restarting my computer I'm getting a sample rate mismatch error message. Upon investigation I see that somehow the setting for the digital interface got changed from my Tascam to Realtek. I have no idea how this got changed. I certainly didn't change it. And I only got the sample rate error message this morning but my problem has existed for a few days. Thinking about this, it seems to make sense why no audio would play at all but that I did have very sluggish command response. I changed it back to my Tascam and things [so far] are working properly."

Windows 11 set my internal soundcard sample rate to 48khz and I usually always work in 44khz 24 bit as I don't do video. I would get that error message as well when I would start up BIAB. Just a thought of why you might of been getting that message?

Mario, I’m curious what info source is telling you that the Tascam 208i is not multi-client? I’m observing the opposite.

According to AI:
Yes, the Tascam 208i is a multi-client audio interface. This means it can handle multiple audio streams from different applications simultaneously, allowing you to run several audio programs at the same time without conflicts.

When I say the Tascam 208i is a multi-client audio interface, it means that the interface and its driver software are designed to handle multiple audio streams from different applications simultaneously. Here's a breakdown:
1. Hardware: The Tascam 208i hardware is capable of managing multiple inputs and outputs, which is essential for multi-client functionality.
2. Driver Software: The driver software provided by Tascam for the 208i supports multi-client operation. This means that the driver can handle audio streams from multiple applications at the same time without conflicts.
In essence, both the hardware and the driver software work together to provide multi-client capabilities, allowing you to run several audio programs simultaneously and route audio efficiently.

Tascam designed their own custom driver software for the Tascam 208i. The driver software is specifically tailored to ensure high stability and reliable performance for their audio interfaces. This custom driver allows the Tascam 208i to handle multiple audio streams from different applications simultaneously, providing multi-client capabilities.

Tascam's custom driver software for the Tascam 208i is called the TASCAM Control Panel. This software is designed to manage the interface's settings and provide stable operation with low latency.

A popular audio interface that is not multi-client is the Focusrite Scarlett series. While these interfaces are highly regarded for their sound quality and reliability, they do not support multi-client operation. This means that only one application can use the audio interface at a time, which can be a limitation for users who need to run multiple audio programs simultaneously.

According to Tascam Tech support: He said he wasn’t familiar with the term “multi-client” but he said the 208i will smoothly handle any number of audio applications that are running as long as those applications do not have “exclusive control”.

According to my gear advisor: All 3rd and 4th generation Focusrite interfaces are multi-client. He had no experience with the 208i.

According to the Guitar Pro User Guide : Choose among the plugged devices. We strongly recommend using an ASIO device on Windows. The ASIO drivers are vital to use the Line-In functionality in Guitar Pro, and to get the best out of the application in general. On macOS, the CoreAudio drivers are used. ASIO (Audio Stream Input/Output), developed by Steinberg, is a cross-platform, multi-channel audio transfer protocol that is being adopted by many of the manufacturers of audio/MIDI sequencing applications. It allows software to have access to the multi-channel capabilities of a wide range of powerful sound cards.

According to me: Attached is an overview diagram of my configuration, I should have built this diagram years ago to organize my info. All the music software shown (with proper settings) can be running at the same time. When Guitar Pro had incorrect settings Studio One had a problem. But the Tascam could seamlessly move from one program to the next. In the case of Guitar Pro, I think its device got incorrectly changed by a software glitch during an upgrade.
If anyone wants such a diagram of their rig, send me a PM.

Steve ALL audio interfaces are multi-client as they can simultaneously take audio from ASIO and MME or ASIO and WAS. Being ASIO multi-client means it can take audio from more than one ASIO source, which I believe the 208i can not.

Nowhere in the Tascam site does it say that the 208i is ASIO multi-client. If it was I believe it would be highlighted:
https://tascam.com/us/product/series_208i/support

If you can show me wrong then I will apologize.

I'm more confused than ever.
First you say my Tascam is not multi-client.
Then you say ALL audio interfaces are multi-client.

Multi-client and ASIO multi-client are two totally different things.
Today most all companies call ASIO multi-client units as multi-client. None use multi-client for ASIO and MME/WAS. Your AI was calling ASIO and MME/WAS multi-client which is technologically correct but not used in today's terminology.

Mario,
1. I hear with my own ears that the Tascam can handle multiple audio streams from different applications running simultaneously. I trust my ears.

2. The Tascam guy tells me the 208i will smoothly handle any number of audio applications that are running as long as those applications do not have “exclusive control”. I trust this expert.

3. The AI is telling me the 208i can handle multiple audio streams. I trust the AI.

Do you realize that all 3 agree?

On the other hand, you are telling me that the Tacam is not multi-client. I don’t trust that. Do you even own one? Once again, what is the source of your information to back that claim?

You then say that ALL interfaces are multi-client. I don’t trust that. First, that is in direct conflict with your earlier statement. And, “ALL” is a very big word. Have you tested ALL interfaces? Once again, what is the source of your information to back that claim?

If you can’t provide sources for your information, I think we should end this discussion. This is going nowhere. With all due respect, you sound very confused.

Mario, I know the reality of this interface; I use it daily. And I’m telling you it can handle multiple audio streams with no problem.

The post that squares best with my understanding is this one by Mario:

“If your Guitar Pro is using ASIO drivers AND Studio One Pro is also using ASIO problems you will experience crashes. This is what Brian was referring. Most ASIO drivers will only work with one program at a time. A Multi-Client ASIO driver will run more than one program at a time.

If I have BiaB and ST1 both using ASIO drivers I will get a crash, thus I always have BiaB using MME drivers, i.e. no crashes.”

The posts that talk about Multi-client ASIO are not relevant to BIAB, where you can use the MME or WAS driver, leaving ASIO to your DAW for recording. Since the ASIO driver you should use is the one provided by the manufacturer, then you can choose equipment that has a multiclient ASIO driver only if you must use two ASIO driver devices at the same time. You are correct to uncheck any setting that takes exclusive use of a device.

RE MULTI CLIENT.

heres what i understand to be re a usb interface being TRUE ASIO MULTI CLIENT.
(mario is correct.)

"various apps can be run concurrently at ultra low latency (eg 4ms ) useing asio drivers.'

WHEREAS...

if the user is only allowed to have one app running at a time at ultra low latency (eg 4ms) and the user must resort to haveing other apps running useing higher latency drivers (eg was or mme) then the interface doesnt have obviously true asio multi client driver support.
in summary not true MC if only one app can run at a time at ultra low latency.

capiche ?...lol.

heres more info and user comments re sound devices...
as well as a definition from sweetwater.com.

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=718708#Post718708


merry x.

om

Mario, please don’t take this the wrong way; this is friend to friend.

If you feel you’re experiencing brain fog or sporadic lapses of short-term memory, do seek medical help. It may be as simple as your meds interacting.

You can’t say my Tacam “is not multi-client” and then immediately say “ALL interfaces are multi-client”. That’s just detached from reality on so many levels.

Again, this is friend to friend.

I don’t think that’s what Mario said. Regardless, let it go. This borders on a personal attack which is not allowed in the forum rules.