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There is a concept video here that includes how the progress bar might work. This was produced before the new layout was available.
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The problem with current implementation, that even if it has a clear indicator, it's too condensed and will not focus-follow the reference point. Here is what I mean:
In linear setting, navigator slider would sync to the cursor, making it (cursor) the focused reference point and by moving the navigator slider you would control your cursor through the project (like a puppet) much more efficiently than scrolling through the project. You stop slider, cursor stops making it a new focal point and playback marker.
In Chord view it should follow the outline (selection) of the measure. With current implementation it will only display a single cell on click, then you blindly poke at the thing again, hoping to get somewhere close to where you imagine it correlates to.
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I think the Chords Timeline work great, but I would like to see perhaps, text to show 1 verse, 2,verse, etc... as well as where you have some kind of action, like Fills, Push/Hold, etc... Maybe R1, R2, R3 for the Repeat signs, and a "F", "P", "H" and for more than 1 action in a bar "$" (used a dollar sign, could be whatever works best). I can easily zero in on a bar in my song, if needed. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/hWMzFg1.gif) Robert 
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Jim, in minimalistic view, what you call a "time line" (under transport buttons) was done in a manner of navigator. Unfortunately it was poorly executed and is pretty much useless as navigator or timeline on medium size project of about 70 bars or more. Don't confuse with a Big button view (the one I presume you are using), where the timeline actually serves a purpose. What I proposed is do a true Slider Navigator instead of "whatever you want to call it" item below transport buttons in minimalistic view and do a full length time line across the screen (like one in Big button view). Does that make sense? Rustyspoon#, Your clarification makes perfect sense and I understand your suggestion much better. Thanks for taking time to respond and clarify. I appreciate your courtesy very much. I think robertw's idea to extend the timeline or navigator to full screen width is a winner. Full screen width would certainly enhance the Minimal Screen Mode. What I don't understand in robertw's mock-up is how multiple choruses will be addressed. BiaB is fairly unique in using choruses and codas in song presentation instead of a linear song presentation like a DAW. AudioTrack's 2017 concept video presented many good ideas and received many positive comments. Hard to believe the video was presented that many years ago. Musocity has also been suggesting GUI changes for years. It appears Simon hears the choir. I believe a timeline fulfills two functions, (1) clearly identify where the cursor resides in a song project and (2) provide an easy way to navigate within a song project. Can anyone think of any other function(s) a timeline performs?
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I have to say I liked what the video posted by Musocity had to say. There are some good (IMHO) end-user observations about what works well and what works less well. I think Reaper pretty much started with an intent to make the GUI highly configurable and it's much easier to do so that way than in retrospect.
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[quote=Rustyspoon#]
... how multiple choruses will be addressed.[/b] BiaB is fairly unique in using choruses and codas in song presentation instead of a linear song presentation like a DAW. The repeat's are your choruses, From what I'm seeing, In the chords view, I have the song wrapped (Showing the repletes) but the timeline has everything unfolded, from start to finish. Just take a sing that is wrapped and in the chords view. Now randomly select a bar through the Chord sheet and you will see the song timeline move as well. Now if you select on the timeline, your repeat color (Mine is blue), and go through each blue, you will see it jumping to different locations. I did this and can see that the timeline is UN-folded. I would just like to see more that what it currently has. Having some kind of indicator of what part of the song I'm in would help. Robert
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I have to say I liked what the video posted by Musocity had to say.
There are some good (IMHO) end-user observations about what works well and what works less well. Also, understand that's his point of view (He has a website, and this and other videos he makes, is more than letting people know how Reaper has evolved, it's also for $$$) I would like to keep this on topic about BiaB and PGM's programs. To me it's not about how we should make BiaB more like "XXXDAW" Now I also, believe that when people ask for more features, and others say they do not want more DAW features. They are wrong. Why, what is a DAW, it's a Digital Audio Workstation. That what BiaB is! Like I'm a doctor, you ask what kind? So... I have a DAW, you ask what kind? Robert
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No, current suggestion (and current implementation) is not a "winner" unless behavior of cursor and scrolling is changed. See video. The key differences between a sliding navigator and current implementation. Lets be clear of what it does and how it can be done differently for it to become a true navigator.
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... Why, what is a DAW, it's a Digital Audio Workstation. That what BiaB is! Like I'm a doctor, you ask what kind? So... I have a DAW, you ask what kind? Robert No robertw. Unfortunately your analogy is wrong. While there are many specialized doctors, there are not that many different types of DAW. Per the PG Music +++ "What Is Band-in-a-Box" +++ videos and the PG Music +++
homepage +++ Band-in-a-Box is a song arrangement tool. Rustyspoon#, Thanks for taking time to make the video above. I agree that the cursor should follow where you click in the timeline and the window should center on the cursor position. Sometimes a video is worth a thousand words.
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@Jim Fogle, By saying that BiaB is a DAW, It's because BiaB is working with digital Audio and when you work with digital audio your working in a DAW. Their area few types of DAW's. FL (Fruit Loops), is primarily a Looping program, Other DAW's focused on creating Synths or whatever. BiaB does is a song arrangement DAW @Rustyspoon# I agree that to needs to follow in the other windows, that's where some constancy is needed, and yes "a video is worth a thousand words" Thanks, Robert
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"By saying that BiaB is a DAW, It's because BiaB is working with digital Audio and when you work with digital audio your working in a DAW." Yep. I agree.
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